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He's most famous for getting doxxed a while back:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-guardian-doxxes-my-editor-unveiling-him-as-cultured-witty-athletic-handsome-family-man/
Nail factory:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkFn4c0WkAA7NyX?format=jpg&name=medium
170 pound woman:
https://x.com/ScottMGreer/status/1898109126024007903
As far as I’m concerned, I’m willing to concede that in certain narrow social circumstances it’s advisable to move to a small Illinois town if you find work at the local nail factory. But these are indeed narrow.
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Aside from the other criticisms of your posts (which are substantial) something that i find consciously absent from this discussion is the discussion of height.
170 lbs on somone who is 4 foot 6, is very different from 170 lbs on somone who is 5 foot 8. Maybe the the whole being-an-incel problem would resolve itself if you were just willing to ask a woman like Brooke, Annsley, or Marinna here out, instead of pining after Twitch thots and OnlyFans Starlets while bitching about having to live in a society.
5 foot 8, 170 pound women are rather rare, aren't they? Also they are rather unlikely to be attracted to the sort of men who follow such advice in the first place. These are just statistical facts.
Also, keep in mind that such a woman very easily becomes a 200 or 220 pound woman after childbirth(s).
Not in my experience no.
You, @AlexanderTurok, and others are talking about a hypothetical 170 pound women as if you are imagining some barely mobile walmart scooter jockey when the reality is much closer to the picture i just linked.
"Post Childbirth" also implies, children and all that entails which renders all the concerns about incel-dom, finding a mate, fertility, etc... moot.
Since you gave a response I decided to not be lazy and converted 5 foot 8 to centimeters after all. I'll concede that you have a point. Still, I'm pretty sure that most 170-pound women are shorter than that, and the ones that are indeed that tall get, I guess, usually quickly snapped up by high-status big men specifically seeking out women of such proportions.
The pictures you posted are blocked by Cloudflare, so I can't comment on them.
Regarding inceldom, again, I don't know who this Lomez guy is or what the wider context was of him giving the advice of pairing up with 170-pound women. I suspect this advice boils down to "ignore the factor of sexual attraction when looking for a mate", which I find questionable at best.
The linked post wasn't his. It was from some guy called "Labrador Skeptic".
I've got to say, I find this whole discussion kind of hilarious, now that I've done the maths (not American, so I don't think in pounds), as I find (average-white-height) women of that weight quite attractive.
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Do American leftwingers think that men should be allowed to shun fat women? I mean legally yes, but morally. From my understanding of American discourse around fat women, the 'fat pride movement' (I do not remember the exact term) is left coded.
If I am correct, then attacking rightists for normalizing fat women is kinda meaningless, if both sides do it.
Such an annoying way to think...
Don't post low-effort comments whose only purpose is to express disagreement or your low opinion.
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Uh, I can give a confident “no” to that question.
Do you mean merely shunning fat women should be banned?
The question already excluded that.
My bad.
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Traditionalist-progressive thought posits that the only worth women have is their beauty (and it is the social role of men to offer the highest price for this service). Progressivism privileges women at the expense of men, so reducing the quality of the service men are forced to accept while not reducing the price for such means, in a zero-sum society/economy, more power and resources for the more beautiful. QED.
I understand what you mean, but i resent the use of the term "traditionalist" to describe this tendency, when actual tradition explicitly rejects the idea that beauty is of primary importance in favor of motherhood and homemaking.
There used to be a whole genre of fiction praising men who choose plain moral women over femmes fatales, and this general wisdom is so hard to kill that it even bubbles up in modern fiction (to wit, Knives Chau's obvious moral superiority over Ramona Flowers).
BAPism and other such Nietzchean ersatz reject in part this wisdom in favor of more base passions, but they needn't do so and the devil is in the details. The whole internal contradiction of that movement is a known problem that they haven't managed to deal with yet, mostly bursting out as that constant tension between Christians and neo-pagans.
Hence I believe it important to name things accurately given how tricky this philosophical entanglement is.
Kind of like actual progressivism, which also explicitly rejects the idea that beauty is of primary importance in favor of the exact opposite of those things.
I'm aware of the steelmen on both sides; I'm also aware of what they tend to mean in practice when the rubber of ideology meets the road of rational self-interest.
Which is why BAPism and other such Nietzchean ersatz are full-bore "don't bother with the plain girl who actually gets along with you, go for the hottest chick you can" (which is exactly how progressives treat men, but replace "hottest" for "richest"). The childhood friend never wins in anime partially for this reason.
And I'd actually say they're correct to do so for a significant subset of women who share the same level of self-interestedness. Married couples were seldom friends- and I'd actually say that, for a lot of people, the suggestion that they should be is an outright lie (which comes from the liberals, not trads/progs). A set amount of challenge (in a predictable and well-defined way) in a relationship can be healthy.
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Although in the movie Knives Chau gets tossed and the Good Ending involves Scott getting Ramona. My take on the movie (I haven't read the comic) is that the screenwriters want to, but don't explicitly, condemn the Scott-Knives relationship as inappropriate because she is still in school and he isn't.
Also, I don't think Ramona is supposed to hotter than Knives in the movie - her most prominent feature apart from being taller than Knives (who IIRC is tiny) is her electric pink buzz-cut hair - this is not something that is attractive to most hetrosexual men. Ramona is supposed to fun (unspoken subtext - slutty) in a way which an Asian-Canadian middle class teenager is not.
It’s a good comic, especially for someone starting college. Fun, funny, and thematically cohesive. I highly recommend it.
It’s also not a rom-com.
Characters comment on how the age gap makes Scott kind of creepy from the beginning. This is not moralist condemnation, because this is a comedy. Scott is being set up as goofy and likable but also pathetic and self-absorbed. From this springs the entire plot.
Likewise, Ramona is supposed to be fun and hot and a walking red flag. Yes, that includes the hair (which you might be misremembering). If you don’t think her look would be catnip to the Scotts of the world, you’re delusional.
There’s a particularly good bit near the end which may or may not have made it into the movie. Scott, during his dark-night-of-the-soul, hits Knives up knowing she used to have a thing for him. “Would you care for some…CASUAL SEX?” It’s awful. Pathetic. Naturally, she’s long over him, and he has to actually figure out what he wants to do with his life rather than paper over it with hedonism.
And that runs directly into the finale—people actually expressing agency. Scott doesn’t pick Ramona over Knives. Knives was never a real option. Once he knows what he wants he actually has to work for it rather than remain in a stasis of rebounds and second choices. Extended adolescence. That’s how Scott completes his arc from a loser to a functional adult. It’s not a rom-com, but a coming of age story.
Link.
The only thing more pathetic than that scene itself is the fact someone wrote it in the first place.
I rate it Californian brainrot/10.
Isn't he Canadian. Which means the whole thing's retarded because she was legal the whole time, and he was just a coward to give up on Best Girl.
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I do not believe most heterosexual men are going to classify her haircut as an explicit turnoff.
Ramona's danger hair definitely classifies her as casual sex material rather than wife material; she is not the kind of girl you bring home to mom.
Perhaps so. Then again, as far as I understand it, in many properly trad societies a "respectable" girl was rarely sexually attractive.
The Becky Eugenically Desirable Woman vs. The Stacy Socially Desirable Woman
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It isn’t that attractive today because it has culturally barber-polled down to having lots of low status associations. Back when the comic was made, having electric pink hair meant you were a cool/hot alt-girl.
Regardless of the colour, the buzz cut is unattractive to heterosexual men in the vast majority of times and places.
I think the distinction between "cool/hot alt-girl", "fun" and "slutty" is one without a difference. I mean this girl is in her mid-twenties and has already had seven messy breakups.
Movie Ramona is mid by the standards of female characters in Hollywood movies. I assume this is deliberate on the part of the filmmakers.
Not by non-comedy standards.
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It’s still not a buzz cut.
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Yeah I'm unfamiliar with any of these properties and understood BigGuy to mean something more cyberpunk than 'mid-lesbo' -- like a Chelsea with some gel-work on top.
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The film tries to make Scott/Knives into something creepy and bad, but my point is that it fails. You'll easily find plenty of people online who find the alternate ending where they stay together superior.
Like many, I have problems with the morality of Scott Pilgrim's universe, but it is a useful and genuine piece of art that gives access to millennial mores in a way few others do. And I see its failure to depict slutty mature fun as superior to naive true love as the weight of tradition (in the sense of perennial moral necessity) reasserting itself. Scott is a terrible person, and what he gets is actually the bad ending.
I'm sure this isn't a consensual opinion given how hot button age gap discourse has become, but it's how I see it.
Let the record show that @IGI-111 plied me with multiple gin-and-tonics, held me down, overpowered me, and forced me to read this opinion. I will be preparing a long and detailed Tumblr post, with accompanying YouTube video, detailing my accusations. Users here will be harshly scrutinized based on how fully and unflinchingly they believe and signal-boost my story.
I don't care. Given the way that take was punctuated, it was asking for it.
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