Botond173
1hr ago
How does any of this equal paying for sex with canned beans and coffee in a famine?
Botond173
2hr ago
Thanks for the reply; I was about to make largely the same points but you were faster.
For the soldiers/conquistadors/pirates etc. taking advantage of their physical power, almost everything above holds true as well, just that the arrangement is usually less voluntary in nature.
The explanation is much more mundane, I think. "American soldier picking up young desperate girls in occupied Germany using chewing gum, can of beans and coffee"? Well, yeah. This was happening during a famine. Elaborate pick-up skills weren't exactly needed.
Rockstars? A very tiny minority of the male population. Nothing to conclude about it in particular. There will always be men who stand out of the crowd for whatever reason, and will thus command a disproportionate amount of female attention. Nothing new about it.
The yuppies, as far as I know, were also a strictly GenX phenomenon, by and large. No argument about that on my part.
PUA is based on the idea of a stranger seducting women entirely with social trickery.
I'd add two more caveats. PUA as a phenomenon specifically entails men codifying pick-up artistry and teaching it to other men.
Botond173
4hr ago
It's conceivable that the woke Left has burned up so much social capital that we're at a point where even a significant segment (but not yet majority) of normies aren't that bothered by racism anymore.
Botond173
4hr ago
The period from the first Opium War to the eventual reunification of the Chinese mainland at the end of the Civil War lasted about a hundred years, hence the Chinese Communist narrative regarding "the century of humiliation", the main consequence of said humiliation being that the regime that lost legitimacy cannot reunite the country and thus needs to be replaced by another.
Botond173
6hr ago
Just to nitpick: the Red Pill/PUA community, to the extent that it actually existed*, was pretty much a GenX phenomenon, and a ‘90s/’00s phenomenon in particular. All the prominent PUAs are GenXers. I’d be surprised to learn that there are any GenZers out there with any familiarity with it. According to Wikipedia, Morgan was born in 1965, so he’s more of a GenXer than a Boomer. I’d guess he’s more likely to be aware of Red Pill stuff than a young homosexual like Fuentes.
*In a practical sense it’s dead. I discussed it here.
Botond173
1d ago
I agree. Isn't it the alleviation of big, unpredictable disasters that result in ongoing costs that insurance as an institution was invented to do in the first place?
Botond173
1d ago
I'd say we had a rather good discussion on this matter here. I agree with @coffee_enjoyer - teenage rebellion is very much real in the sense that when the average teenager encounters a grumpy old man or woman who wants to block him/her from pursuing sex, partying and fun in general while at the same time lacking any authority to actually control the supply of sex, alcohol and drugs, that old Boomer will only get laughed at.
Botond173
1d ago
Wasn't it standard in the US before 1990 or so for high schoolers to perform as part-time workers most of the crummy jobs that were later given to illegal immigrants?
Botond173
1d ago
Hold up. Weren't they aware or should they not have been aware of the structural defect from the moment they decided to provide that insurance?
Botond173
1d ago
That is exactly the point I was going to make. Being openly in porn as a man not only will not erode your social standing, which is the case if you’re a woman, but will even elevate it on average. Having the opportunity in itself to bone multiple beautiful women is generally seen as its own reward if you’re a man, which largely explains why male porn actors are indeed paid less than female ones on average. In fact, I think the idea of even getting paid to bone women on camera is seen as a sort of absurd idea by normies. After all, we can all imagine how many men would gladly be doing the same thing for free.
I’d argue that the working-class men outraged by Bonnie Blue would be much more outraged by a male porner earning the same sum of money (for whatever reason), because it’d seem even more unfair.
(The sex scandals involving women teachers that you mentioned is a different matter with a peculiar explanation in my view, but I won’t start discussing it in this comment.)
Botond173
2d ago
Arts, music, and culture can all be readily found on the internet. If you want to go experience it in person, it's typically a 20-30 minute drive away from the suburb. You can easily manage that a night or two a week.
But you're supposed to be doing all that socially, with other like-minded peers.
Botond173
2d ago
Since this is Themotte, the main factor I'd definitely bring up is that the US suburb is a heavily blue-pilling environment.
Botond173
2d ago
I'd also ask to consider what's the point of being a normie in a decadent, degenerate society.
Botond173
2d ago
How do you find a potential wife who is presumably outside your social circle in a US suburb?
Botond173
2d ago
OP’s argument appears to be that American suburbia is specifically structured around the sole consideration of enabling young children to play in yards and on lawns, and that this is done at the expense of everything else (walkability, services etc.). I’d add that this consideration doesn’t even hold up, because children nowadays scarcely use their free time to play in yards instead of staring at screens, and the period in their lives when they are even interested in playing in yards at all is rather short.
Botond173
2d ago
4 years from 14 to 18 perhaps? Substantial but a minority fraction compared to time one is a kid, and not that large fraction of human lifespan.
It's a rather important period for psychological development and social maturation though.
Botond173
2d ago
I remember it being great as a kid because the yard was big enough for me to run, and my boomer parents could either leave me at home or easily drive me around town.
GenXers like you didn't have smartphones, tablets or computers available though. I think we can assume suburban children today rarely use the yard the way you did unless their use of digital devices is strictly restricted or banned, which in most cases it isn't.
Botond173
2d ago
Point taken. I'd ask a different question though. What would you think about a male porn performer making 800,000 pounds a month? Would it outrage you more? Less? How would people see it in your view?
Botond173
2d ago
I am not sure that I entirely understand the point that you are trying to make, because it seems that you are not making any point, but there is no central committee that needs to condone every monetary transaction between people.
People are generally OK with Bonnie Blue making around 800,000 pounds a month because they understand that she's sociologically damning herself so it seems only fair that she's making a lot of money while she can; it's also not illegal and complaining about it just makes you appear like a loser. The people making money for her are loser men anyway so nobody cares. In a similar manner, we're generally OK with fashion models (or at least some of them) making a lot of money because we understand that their careers are generally short, and with men doing dangerous jobs getting good pay because it's known that they might die on the job.
Botond173
2d ago
What I don’t get is why everyone sees this as some kind of moral issue and not the massive late-Soviet Union-style failure of economic allocation that it really is.
Can you elaborate please?
Faye Reagan on the other hand is one of those homeless tunnel people living underneath Las Vegas. Dakota Skye died of a fentanyl overdose.
There does indeed seem to be a high mortality rate among female performers due to suicide and drug overdose. Maybe it's just a case of bad vibes about the porn industry but I'm sure the statistics bear it out.
Usually the fate of ex-porn actresses (like anyone else) is more tied to whether or not they were already a drug addict with poor time preference and impulse control issues, not any kind of scarlet lettering from what they used to do.
Also due to the psychological damage that comes with porning in general, I assume.
Botond173
2d ago
I highly the doubt that prostitution being low status is a consequence of it being illegal. I'd say it's considered low status because it means ugly old men get to use your holes for money. In Germany, for example, it's legal but apparently also generates a great deal of human trafficking from Eastern Europe as there's a dearth of German women signing up to be whores.
Botond173
2d ago
Sasha Grey is a Twitch streamer and does popular podcasts.
That's not much, if we're honest. Any young woman who's not hideously ugly can do a popular podcast and have beta simps orbiting her.
Mia Khalifa is an influencer dating a rapper.
From women's perspective, that doesn't mean shit.
Riley Reid is married to an athlete.
Fair enough; I don't know about his career so I can't comment. What I know is that he comes across as a miserable cuck in the one interview I saw with him. Again, my argument isn't that such women cannot marry, it's that they cannot marry a respectable man they're attracted to.
Stability and bright future of plenty of money/food as opposed to not starving to death. Got it.
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