sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
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sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
7hr ago
Unless he's getting plenty of coaching from someone older and wiser.
Depends on what you count as coaching.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
7hr ago
High-functioning parents won't need the law for their children to take their opinions into account. For others, it looks like the perfect way to go from filial disinterest to open revolt and spite.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
10hr ago
If they want me to use it they can put it on the keyboard.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
10hr ago
Parents should own their children.
We're past the society where parents owning their children translated to direct economic benefits, though, such as help on the farm or apprenticing in your profession. How exactly do you propose the parents should extract the value from their children? Lifelong alimony?
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
11hr ago
If your proposition is that we factory-farm the fairer sex such that every man is free to go through a hundred a year
Being free to buy a chicken does not mean there must be enough stock available at all times. If the chicken are scarce, the price will simply be higher.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
12hr ago
According to the chicken analogy, every man should be free to buy as many chickens as he can afford. Rationing them at one-per is the kind of thing that has been tried for 70 years and ended in disaster.
Capitalism everywhere except for the bedroom.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
13hr ago
Sure, you can throw tiktok in, too. Tinder does take up some of the "fearmongering about male bad behavior" space with all the low effort dick pic guys, or so I'm told.
I don't think obesity is a factor for most guys in question. The sentiment I observe is usually "no one is interested in me", not "only the fatties are interested in me".
See, people seem to read that into any ambiguity I leave in my writings.
Not just your writings. Thing is, the people who want the RETVRN generally have an entire detailed vision of what the society is supposed to look like at the endpoint (even if they arrived to the vision entirely by calculating exactly what will trigger the libs the hardest). While the people who see the problems with the status quo but are closer to
a social order that grants people maximum autonomy, but also a culture that provides basic life scripts that young people can follow to produce generally good outcomes in their life if they're not
than Handmaid's Tale, and I'm including myself into that group... generally don't. So speaking loudly about problems with the status quo in a certain perspective becomes a heuristic for certain assumptions.
It also doesn't help when you write things like "I THINK WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE [what happens when too many young men are hopeless and angry]" in all caps. It reads like you're rooting for the civil war.
The one thing that genuinely peeves me off is when I see people in positions of power/authority making absolutely DUNDERHEADED policy decisions, causing untold amounts of suffering or economic loss, and then skating off unscathed because they had no direct stake in the outcome/were poised to benefit either way.
Indeed.
There's an element of faith required, and that seems to be in shorter supply.
Indeed. And I'm specifying that in this case it's specifically faith that not only things are going to be bad, and not only that they can be made better, but that the windows for going to be bad and able to be made better intersect just right.
If a king genuinely believed in an all-powerful creator who could and would punish them eternally after death, that would indeed incentivize 'better' behavior during their life.
In that case it does not look like elites were ever selected for their genuine belief. Genuine belief appears to be the kind of thing that was mostly for the downtrodden classes and the kind of clergy that was secluded in monasteries and not making too much political noise.
Unless you're arguing that there is a hard limit on how long humans can live, ingrained at a biological level, I don't see this as discouraging.
I'm not well-versed enough in biology to confidently state a number, no. But from what I know, organs tend to wear out and fail, the very structure of bones tends to become brittle, telomeres in your DNA shorten with time and gradually stop protecting you from runaway cancers, and brains degrade to senility. To my knowledge we have not yet found ways to reliably halt even one of those processes. I said 120 years because this is the current world record for where the combination of genetics + personal decisionmaking + medicine can get you. So when the first human lives to 150, I expect it to be because of massive breakthroughs in medicine.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
1d ago
Some US states have their age of consent at 18. But even if it wasn't, it's not like the moral outrage would stop over that. I notice that people who loudly decry sex with late-teen girls generally aren't considering local ages of consent as a valid argument in favor. It would simply shift to "they weren't adults".
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
1d ago
Women are making the same calculus with their daughters when they let stepfathers fuck them: "if I don't whore them out, he'll get bored and leave". I have no reason to believe that men can't make a similar decision with their same-gender offspring too.
You're phrasing that like you're basing the former statement on more information than the latter, which I haven't yet seen you demonstrate.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
1d ago
I'm going to stick with "he didn't believe she'd go that far because people in general don't believe their partner could actually kill a child, let alone calculate in their primal math brain that they must let them kill the child for greater reproductive profits".
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
1d ago
No religious guidelines in place means no real guardrails on the conduct of the kings, either.
Did they ever? And even if they did, will they stop the kind of deep states upon deep states we have going on now?
The Peter Zeihan prediction is that the effects will manifest sooner rather than later, as globalization breaks down, which will very quickly make production of advanced technology/products far more difficult. The order that allows large container ships to travel the seas unmolested is tenuous, and if countries get more desperate as their own economies slip, this order likely fractures.
This is, perhaps, the strongest argument in favor of fixing demographics now. Even then, the actual effect a currently childless person can have on reversing that is going to manifest 20-30 years later, when the children they've had ASAP grow up and become productive. So people have to believe in the sweet spot of "close enough that I'm gonna feel it, but not so soon that my potential children aren't going to be stuck in Mad Max regardless".
I'm going to make a concerted effort to not die any time soon.
For a 50% increase from 80 to 120, at best. Anything further will probably have to rely on society-wide life extension methods.
We should be concerned about what conditions for building advanced civilization are also necessary and sufficient for its maintenance.
We should. But if it turns out that the world I like is unsustainable in the state of it that I like, such as for example not relying on literal slavery and/or being race-segregated and sex-segregated and everything you're darkly hinting at, then I'd rather milk it for what it's worth.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
1d ago
Otherwise, you have to be high-conscientiousness enough to notice that the society you're living in needs children to continue functioning, so its ultimately in your best interest to keep birth rates above replacement.
Is it? Most projections of the future that aren't AI doom or transhumanist utopia seem to make it clear that you will be dead quite a bit before society collapses to untenable levels. So unless you have kids in the first place, and thus create someone who will be dead a few decades later, how is it in one's best interest?
That, and the fact that a state that's strong enough to reverse course towards replacement fertility has no actual reason to stop at "just a bit of strengthening the nuclear family to keep us at 2.1", makes it look like it's all or nothing. And I'd rather bet on the side that's given us the advanced civilization I like.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
1d ago
Unfortunately, it seems like replacing the shoggoth of Capitalism with a simpler, cruder social system or inventing artificial wombs is easier for people than things like
making it easier for moms to return to the workforce after staying at home through toddler years, or figuring out why young men are under-socialized, undermotivated and underpaid, or whatever.
, even if I would prefer that too. Also, it seems a waste to not root for glorious transhumanist destiny in the age when it seems most possible yet.
In general, I think the debate has baked in coercion because many people in the debate have concluded that the reason for unmotivated young men is no steady gf, and no steady gf is because divorces and tinder. Which are large-scale enough factors that some coercion would be required to attack them.
Is your view that "fitness is fascism" people are to being in shape like the "I don't want to have to marry a man to make a living/have to marry a woman to obtain companionship and sex" people to obligate marriage?
Rest assured I don't think that being a 1000 body count fuckboy/slut should be the highest aspiration and the goal of all freedom-loving people.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
1d ago
No doubt some liberated slaves were worse off for having the responsibility to earn their own keep they weren't used to.
I choose to give the western society credit where it's due: there is no such thing as famine anymore. That you have to put in a bit of effort to not grow fat is small potatoes compared to that. Also, it's a choice to let your food industry dump tons of sugar into everything or whatever it is that is wrong with American food industry.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
1d ago
I don't find it so tinfoil-hatty because I do believe artificial wombs need to be invested in. It seems like things that are meaningfully different about the West and made it good inevitably lead to things that make people find something better to do than coerce half of the population into being the means of reproduction and little else.
While I assume it wouldn't be a favorable option from your point of view as you'd prefer to be alive, it sounds like the best case overall would be that someone like your mother was able to divorce - and ideally not married at all - before she had children. Some people are for the nunnery.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
4d ago
Did it? I'm only immersed in the Western infosphere while online, but I'm online a lot of the time, and I've barely even seen any memes of it.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
5d ago
Depends on the point of view. Some people that I expect others to think were "interesting" really only had a few interesting ideas, ran out of them and got banned once their manner of conversation outweighed the reiteration of their ideas.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
6d ago
The Madagascar plan where they would offer Jews to relocate to Madagascar, with the alternative being absolutely nothing done to them?
Where is the use of force implied by the poster above me?
Like... sure, I don't like that the state wouldn't provide actual support to the veteran. I assumed that most people here were against their taxes prolonging the existence of the infirm, but whatever. It's still lacking the very crucial aspect of Nazi executions where you didn't actually have a choice to say no and die in your bed on your own (or rather, your old age and illnesses') terms.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
7d ago
How exactly did you run into this forum being absolutely livid about the small number of kids being transed without seeing the "come on, it's just a tiny percentage of people affected"?
I did see it, I mean I noticed no precedent of the "come on, it's just a tiny percentage" people having had their own tiny percentage they visibly cared about a lot.
I literally just agreed with you, what more do you want?
First, I don't recall you agreeing with me when it was about the tiny number of transed kids. Second, you appear to be one of the three principled autistically-consistent-argument-appliers among seven zillion culture warriors, so unilateral disarmament is not in my interest.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
7d ago
The thing is I've been told that it's not, and I never saw you step in before.
I didn't have a precedent to refer to before.
Can I count on you saying something the next time someone uses this argument?
Only if it actually becomes a commonplace bipartisan argument. Otherwise I'll follow the example of other users and keep only using it when it's my side suffering the miniscule excesses.
Tismchads stay winning.
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