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If you're going to downvote me, and nobody's already voiced your objection, please reply and tell me

				
				
				

				

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				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I'm not sure why nuclear bombs should affect your ability to sit down and peacefully let someone else rape you to death.


If we have to point at a recent development which would undercut my claim, it'd be brainwashing camps, not nukes.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Much as "those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf",




This isn't true. The early Christians, famously, did not abandon pacifism against the Romans.


It's more correct to say that pacifism (absent a non-pacifist protector) tends to get you killed or enslaved. But you can do it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 29, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


What's an example, meeting your criteria of (a) the target countries don't take the people in voluntary and (b) no military force is involved?




I mean, I think some of the various places that expelled their Jews in the Middle Ages would fit those criteria, at least if you interpret a) as including "the target country doesn't really want them but is unwilling to just kill them all when they show up anyway".


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 29, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Comparing anything right-wing to Nazism is an overused cliche, but it fits here: AFAIK Nazis initially planned to just deport the Jews somewhere (Madagascar), but ended up brutally overworking and exterminating them, because their end goal was to get rid of them and that was easiest.




Per Scott's post, the First Solution was convincing the Jews to emigrate (to Palestine and elsewhere, and by normal peacetime means like commercial passenger ships) by making life in Germany shitty for them (and seizing money from rich Jews to pay for the tickets of poor Jews). This failed because everybody else refused to take the German Jews (note that this was before decolonisation, so this mostly means the Western governments - they, after all, set the immigration policies of their colonies).


The supposed Second Solution was deporting all the Jews to Madagascar (forcibly, and by extraordinary means). This made no sense, because by then Germany was at war with Britain (which controlled the Suez, Gibraltar and the North Atlantic), and thus couldn't possibly get the Jews to Madagascar. Most people think this was just a fake plan as a cover story for the Final Solution (there was at least one other - the Wannsee Conference mentions "evacuation to the East" i.e. Poland/Russia).


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 27, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I'd say more "charismatic" than "intelligent", and the amount of people on Hitler's level is very low so if you can resist anything less you're mostly fine.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


But honestly, I don't believe what you are saying right now since the videos don't sound like AI to me. It just sounds like you're erecting an arbitrary hurdle to shield yourself from earnest engagement. I don't know why and it feels like a shame.




No, I'm not lying; that is my true objection. Leaving aside that I've never lied on theMotte (though I've occasionally accidentally said false things, and I've often refrained from telling the whole truth), what motive would I have to lie here? Like, I mentioned this in my first post of our interaction; if I didn't want to engage with you, I simply wouldn't have engaged with you.


If you look around some of my other posts, you'll see that I'm a full-blown Yudkowskian Jihadi, and my objection is the AI-box one, which indeed I've explicitly mentioned on here over a year ago.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I know it's 25 minutes and I know the guy has a depressing delivery.




That's not the problem. The problem is that I suspect the narrator to be AI, and I have a policy of avoiding AI output for mental-hygiene reasons, especially when in an audiovisual format. If you can demonstrate to my satisfaction that the videos are not in fact AI-narrated (e.g. by providing pre-2022 videos from that channel that sound similar), I'll watch them; otherwise, your pleading is pointless, as I consider that policy far more important than this debate.




I don't believe the directors, screenwriters or anyone else were necessarily intentionally making an explicit commentary on how much they hate white people and think they are all one move away from dooming everything through racism and are otherwise beyond saving outside of a baptism through fornicating with brown people. But I am telling you that it's nevertheless the subtextual end result of their work.




Ah, that clarifies things quite a bit.


TBH, I'd at least vaguely entertained the possibility of you thinking that way. But I'm not sure why this is especially relevant to the point you were originally making.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I don't need to see a video to notice that there's racial subtext in Gattaca. The film's message can be summed up as "even when scientific racism is 100% obviously true and a master race demonstrably exists, it's still false and the master race aren't actually any better than the rest of us, fuck logic". The Wikipedia article cites at least one review pointing out the racial angle.


But I can't even construct a particularly-consistent explanation for 28 Days Later being secretly about white rage. If it's meant to be about racial hatred being good, why are those with it portrayed as literal zombies? If it's meant to be about racial hatred being evil, why didn't anyone involved cash in on belatedly noting it the way the Wachowski Brothers Sisters did?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Voters and candidates need certainty quickly after polling is concluded about who has won and where we all go from here as a result, the process shouldn't be held hostage by the possibility of some votes turning up 5 days later.




A few days delay knowing who won isn't ideal, but here in Oz we seem to mostly have put up with it in a lot of elections the past couple of decades; it doesn't seem to be a non-negotiable that blows up everything if not observed.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Considering all of that, I'd say it's clear whites are not being protected from their own racist tendencies, a concept explored in the movie 28 Days Later




I haven't watched the whole video (that narrator sounds like AI), but what I have appears to be straight-up schizophrenic delusion on par with A Beautiful Mind. The rest of your post is pretty solid, but, uh, are you okay?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Could you elaborate a little? I can hypothesise some issues, but I have no direct exposure.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Takaoka Yuka got quite a lot of fandom - not a serial killer, but we started out discussing murderers in general (okay, sure, she didn't manage to kill him, so she's an attempted murderer, but it's the thought that counts).


I used to moderate a board for stalkers/fans of stalkers, and there was a lot of love for her there. I remember saying on said board that she probably didn't deserve as much sympathy as lots of them were extending - because while yeah, sure, host bars are designed to hook people into whaling away vast sums of money on parasocial fake romance, and as such getting murdered by angry customers is absolutely an occupational hazard that's baked in, Yuka was a hostess herself and thus couldn't really claim ignorance or innocence of that game.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Well, I was more addressing the "murderer" part than the specific "black widower" part.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 15, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I knew about Nanjing, but not about the others. Good catch.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Why on earth would you think this is a good idea?




Having someone willing to kill for you is sometimes fairly useful, particularly if you are bad at killing people. It was considerably more useful in the EEA, as @IGI-111 notes.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Someone has probably made this argument on The Motte before. We aren't missing any communists from roll call, are we?




I'm not sure there have been full-blown revolutionary communists here since the site move. I'm a socialist, but obviously I'm not missing (never been to Canada, actually).


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It's not illegal for the kid to go wandering around the neighbourhood either (the kid won't be charged with a crime); the problem is that the laws/policies punish the parents for physically allowing him/her to so wander. Likewise, there are a zillion ways in which things are set up to prevent kids from killing themselves, and it would (AFAIK, though IDK about Canada) be illegal for a euthanasia clinic to assist a child suicide.


I don't think anyone's arguing for kids to be considered criminals for trying to transition; the anti-trans side want teachers and doctors (and maybe parents) to be liable for facilitating that transition, and for parents to not be punished for preventing that transition.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 15, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I was giving regions in terms of pre-modern hegemons (and hedged "known world") because of the whole issue where transcontinental wars were basically not a thing you could do back then, so Rome and Beijing didn't really have to concern themselves with what the other thought. These days the concept of a "regional hegemon" has been severely undermined (though it's still not quite nothing).


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


If "diagnose people with gender dysphoria if they say they're trans" is an effective diagnosis method, why is it getting so many apparent false-positives?




I rated your post Good, but I'll have to pull you up on this one. Gender dysphoria is the syndrome, where people start feeling terrible about their sex and sometimes get phantom-limb. It obviously exists; I've had it. The debate is about the appropriate treatment for gender dysphoria, which in my case appears to have been "ignore it and it'll go away".


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I think we're all negotiating on price. Like, to give the obvious example, do you think kids should be allowed to kill themselves? Hell, do you think they should be allowed to apply for euthanasia if they get depression? I'd say no, and I'd say that on the grounds that most kids disallowed from killing themselves will, on reflection (and usually not that long a reflection!) be glad that they were stopped; their coherent extrapolated volition is to be disallowed from something that stupid. Hell, I've attempted suicide three times and am glad I was stopped the latter two (the first one I wasn't actually stopped; I just failed by myself).


Medical transition is not as serious as literal suicide. It's also far more serious than essentially everything else on the list of things the fun police don't want to let kids do with maybe the exception of some drugs. Kids playing by themselves without supervision are very unlikely to be maimed for life. Kids medically transitioning will with near-certainty. So one can consistently support free range kids and still oppose transitioning kids, at least as long as one doesn't take "free range kids" to the psychotic extreme of "deliberately let the kids jump off cliffs!".


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 15, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
There is a difference between "is the pre-eminent power in the known world" and "has over 50% of the power in the known world, such that balancing fails and hegemony ensues because it can defeat every other nation put together". Tanista's claim is that #1 is true of the USA but #2 is false, which means the USA does in fact still need to do normal diplomacy (because while it could defeat any one nation, there is more than one non-US nation and it could not defeat them all at once).


The obvious historical parallel is Britain moving from "splendid isolation" and the "rule of two"* in the nineteenth century to the Anglo-Japanese Alliance, Entente Cordiale and Special Relationship in the early twentieth (in which Britain was still the pre-eminent power, just not by such an impressive margin).


*The "rule of two" was that the British navy was larger than the second-largest and third-largest navies put together. This enabled "splendid isolation", in which Britain refused to form long-term alliances because it was invincible anyway. Indeed, one thing that stands out during the Napoleonic Wars was that Britain was the only country in the anti-Napoleon coalitions to never make peace with Napoleon; they didn't have to, because even with Napoleon and his puppet states across Europe - and for the last few years, the USA - against them simultaneously, the Royal Navy still made Britain and most of its dominions completely safe. That is the power that lets you say "fuck you" to diplomacy. It's the power the Romans had in Europe and the Med. It's the power the Persians sometimes had in West Asia (though not all that often). It's the power the Chinese had in the Far East for so long they forgot it could end (which is why they got bitchslapped in the Opium Wars; they said "fuck you" to Britain without the capability to back it up). You can maybe find some more examples, but there aren't many.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 15, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
In case you're not making a joke, "the EEA" in the context of evo-psych and human biology refers to "the environment of evolutionary adaptedness", i.e. the conditions humans lived with in prehistory and which our bodies and brains are selected to best cope with. For instance, humans don't like concrete jungles, probably because the most similar thing to a concrete jungle in the EEA was an area recently destroyed by volcanism and such areas were generally devoid of food and water.


The "sex cave and kids cave" part was referring to the EEA. The "sex room and kids room" part was referring to "the vast majority of recorded history", because peasants were poor compared to us.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 15, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Which is why making such a claim about "most of the non-US West" when they really mean only UK and Ireland a ridiculous but sadly common thing here.




I mentioned Australia in that post. I know Canada has them as well, and I think NZ does too. I admittedly don't know that much about the Continent, but no, I didn't "really mean only UK and Ireland".


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 15, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yup, we had an author get jailed in NSW a few months back.


(Enforcement is very spotty, as you'd expect.)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 15, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
First time I've seen the term, but I think it's pretty clear if you know the context.


Specifically, that the three Abrahamic religions have different days of the week as the Sabbath. Jews consider Saturday the Sabbath. Christians consider Sunday the Sabbath. Muslims consider Friday the Sabbath.


Hence, asking him to work on Sunday implicitly (if imprecisely) tests whether he's a practicing Christian, because Christians are not supposed to work on Sundays.