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magic9mushroom

If you're going to downvote me, and nobody's already voiced your objection, please reply and tell me

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opposing "it's okay to be white", which they are wholly justified in doing.

The Left does not believe that whites should be ashamed "for the color of their skin", but for the innumerable crimes they have committed against non-whites* in the 500 years since they set out from Europe to gain their globally advantageous position.

I think that the latter reduces to the former, in addition to baking in another problem and thus being even more objectionable.

Specifically, to get to "being white implies responsibility for all the crimes whites have committed" requires two premises:

  1. People can be held responsible for the actions of other people
  2. The relevant criterion to use for assessing such guilt is skin colour.

#2 must be skin colour (or other "racial" traits, but asking people to feel guilty for having e.g. thin lips or blond hair raises 100% of the same issues), not closeness of blood relation, as for any given white criminal (e.g. a slaveowner) there usually are some "non-white" people more closely related to him (e.g. the descendants of the bastards he sired by raping his slaves) than some white people.

And #1 is a whole other can of worms which most modern Westerners find barbaric.

“Jet fuel can't melt steal beams”

“If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?”

Both of these are solid observations, there's just nuance they're missing. Specifically, "but it can soften them" and "only some of the monkeys evolved into us" respectively.

They recognize a loaded question, or outrage bait, and try not to walk into the minefield. Sometimes this works out. Sometimes it looks cringey and gives the baiters what they wanted. Regardless, it doesn’t require lunacy or cowardice or even cognitive dissonance.

I'm pretty sure "refusing to charge into a minefield" does technically qualify as cowardice.

Including the circumflex? What does that signify?

I downvote uncivil posts, and your initial post seemed to say that downvoting for any reason was senseless, so I felt the need to object.

TBF, "genocide" - etymologically "the killing of genes" - is indeed accomplished by mass sterilisation, although not by mental trauma.

"Massacre" and "extermination" seem like words you might want to use.

I will note that there is the option of declaring tabula rasa - where history is not abandoned as a project, but the current crop of historians do not have the ability to select their replacements and thus there is no continuity. The extreme version of this would be throwing out all the members of history departments, and then creating new history departments ex nihilo in 5 years to figure out what's true from scratch (according current historian qualifications zero weight when re-initialising).

I'm not saying that this is clearly optimal - it does still have costs - but it's an option that needs to be considered when you're thinking about best-alternative-to-reform.

It's overused, but I don't really see the problem with downvoting uncivil posts.

There is also the trans issue. Going as hardline as you did on it in that post - literally using it as an example of obvious absurdity - gets more upvotes than downvotes here, but it does get some downvotes.

(I'm not one of the people who downvoted that post.)

How do you intend to keep The Motte from suffering the same fate as Reddit, Wikipedia, Google, open source, academia, journalism, science fiction fandom, or any of the other countless formerly neutral and now totally ideologically captured institutions?

It's worth noting that most of those got at least partially captured by SJ before SJ was recognised as a threat, so that by the time anyone saw what was happening it was too late. This isn't the right threat model for an expanded-Motte. The right threat model for an SJ threat to an expanded-Motte is mostly outright legal action that debanks it or forces it to hire a saboteur "diversity officer", with a side of the cancellation playbook (much of which is now neutered by alt-tech, but not quite all).

THANK YOU!

I recognised her from a 7.5-year-old video that I'd failed to find 2.5 years ago, and was able to fulfil my IOU-a-source.

I went looking for this video I saw way back where an obviously-SJ woman basically spends 10 minutes saying that paedophiles are horrible creeps even if they don't molest, but I can't find it; sorry.

Belated, but I found it.

"few remaining principled free speech advocates", as much as I agree with it, is rabble-rousing rhetoric. Ditto "Whether this helps or hurts her electoral chances will remain to be seen." and the drive-by well-poisoning in paragraphs 10 and 11.

IIRC Uwe Boll was making bad movies on purpose as part of some scheme to generate tax deductions and receive subsidies (as essentially an RL Springtime for Hitler). If he's stopped deliberately sabotaging his movies, well, that'd explain a jump in quality.

@BurdensomeCount

widely ridiculed on the right as obviously ugly, with attendant counter-signaling on the left against any sense of objective beauty

I think that's harsh. I think I'd probably put Nyong'o in the top percentile of majority-sub-Saharan-African women I've ever seen. The blackwash is objectionable, and one of the multiple reasons is that absent SJ threats on the judges no SSA woman could ever win Helen's canonical status of "most beautiful woman in the world", but they don't seem to have selected for ugliness over and above the blackwash.

Otherwise eligible men who are too busy with videogames should quit the gaming and start dating seriously.

most societies in history have attempted to discourage it.

I will note that unlike most societies in history, a lot of this class can't "just get a GF" at present. We've broken matchmaking by moving it onto dating sites, which are a lemon market. We've encouraged women not to settle until their biological clock's nearly run out. "Beatings will continue until X" only actually works if the person you're beating is the one who chooses if X happens.

Plausibly yes. The impact of innovation might be on a logistic curve as we vacuum up all the low-hanging fruit, but the patent numbers are sufficient to demonstrate that immigration rates don't have an effect on people having ideas.

They are not, for two reasons:

  1. Patents have become more internationalised over time;
  2. A fraction of patents are bogus (yes, I know this is granted patents, but a lot of them are still bogus) and it is plausible that this fraction has increased.

TBC, I'm basically a 90s liberal/Grey Triber; you don't need to sell me on it.

What happened at Yellowstone?

The implication is that the people who are having problems with them are therefore at fault because they don't understand/follow the norms perhaps because they are "autistic".

I mean, this is not wrong. SJ does hate autists - while it has praise for the idea of being autistic, it's been obvious since GamerGate that it does not tolerate people actually being autistic.

But of course, as you note, one man's modus ponens is another man's modus tollens; from an autistic PoV like mine, this is simply prima facie evidence that the SJ norms are illegitimate and we should set fire to them.

IMO - and certain others' opinion - Righteous Mind is outdated and the three-foundation morality is basically a description of 90s liberals and the current Grey Tribe. SJ/the successor ideology is a "normie" six-foundation morality, just with bizarro-world takes on the three "conservative" values based on superficial features of 90s liberalism (and to a small extent Marxism).

There's simply no time for Stark to drive to Baltimore until the following day at the earliest.

Is there some reason that doesn't make sense other than "that means he'd have been driving around with a dead body"? Because, well, okay, that falls under the heading of Bad Ideas, but the guy clearly had a history of bad decision-making.

They'd probably charge you with abuse of a corpse

I'm not planning on it! It's just that this theory involved stealing a corpse and the guy got convicted of kidnapping over this incident so I was wondering if that'd actually apply.

Another possibility is that they went out for beers or w/e, Branning had a heart attack or otherwise dropped dead, and Stark decided to loot the car/phone/corpse and drive away from his shitty life. That'd be illegal, obviously, but not murder (since you're a lawyer: is stealing a corpse kidnapping?).

(and on a three month old thread)

Got a post from OP on the volunteer page and context made me check his post history. You weren't the only one I replied to while looking through it.

I am skeptical that this is being asked in good faith

Oh, for fuck's sake, Amadan. We both have thousands of posts here, you have my mod record right in front of you, and you're a mod on a board with a literal rule of "be charitable", and you jump straight to accusing me of having an ulterior motive?

Yes, I'm a curious person. And you said something vague which has vastly-different implications depending on which of those three it is. Hell, it has at least some implications regarding my personal safety (although admittedly not relevant ones, since I'm already armed to the exact limit of the law).

You don't want to tell me, fine. But don't impugn my honesty.

Side notice: why is parent modded to -14?

I'm not one of the downvoters, but the all-caps parts and the misrepresentation of the modded post (he didn't just call RR a "cracker bitch"; he also called him a "demonic pigskin" and said he "deserve[s] to killed", which are IMO worse) are other (if likely partial) potential explanations for the negative response.