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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 4, 2024

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How will 2024 be remembered?

So Trump got endorsed by Joe Rogan, and people have already made comments on that, what I am wondering is, in case Trump loses and you catch actual voter fraud on camera, enough to convince people that elections are not as legitimate as they think they are, will there even be any consequences at all?

What surprised me was Elon publicly talking about demographics where he admits that you can simply flip states by adding a bunch of immigrants, I never expected anyone famous to ever admit this. This is one of the richest people on the planet who gets government contracts, this is extremely ballsy (which I think he is and I wish to be like that).

Think about it, plenty of people on frog Twitter were voting without American citizenship, at what point will the burden of evidence be enough if it even exists for the Supreme Court to acknowledge anything? I think Harris will win and the west will keep taking in migrants by the boatful but I would like to see Trump win.

This video titled the year 4chan won is a good little throwback to 2016 and what that looked like. Ofc 4chan has been neutered now and Trump is not as fringe as he once was. In 2020 Trump was not someone would touch with a 10-foot pole, in 2024, he has a whole lot more support from the mercantile class. Not sure why that is. Maybe this is thermidor, a temporary one.

My recollections of 2016 are clouded. I was barely 16 at the time, and though I was aware of the American culture war, I was fairly sure Trump would lose and did not care much either. I was 16 and not American. I woke up one morning and saw Trump winning, not knowing how much more I would be into this as a spectator during 2020 and 2024.

2024 is going to be “The Year Politics Went Full Retard” for me. It’s just a level of crazy that I would not believe if it had been pitched as the new season of a political drama. A candidate is nearly thrown off the ballot in CO? The same guy convicted of several felonies? And then his opponent is revealed to be unfit for office on live television? Then the same candidate gets shot. Then the opposition candidate drops out and is replaced without a vote. Then the protests at the DNC over Israel. Another Trump assassination. Like WTF? The crazy around 2024 is insane. And of course the discourse itself — debates around transitions for middle school kids, why FEMA is slowing down aid in hurricane zones, some people are convinced of weather manipulation (which I did not have on my bingo card), claims of election fraud, it’s just wild. And frankly exhausting tbh.

Don't worry, it will soon be over. If Elon is right, then we won't have to worry about competitive elections again. In Soviet America, the people do not choose the government, the government chooses the people.

That’s how elections run here. It’s basically divided by districts carefully chosen to maximize the power of the party that runs the state, then you have the electoral college on top. It’s set up so that 3 states basically pick the president.

4chan has been neutered now

How so?

It's got government agencies monitoring it heavily. That's what I've been told, it's not as fun as it was in 2016.

The SNR has become untenable. Organized thread sliding picked up steam circa July 2016 and has not abated.

SNR? Thread sliding? What are these things?

Thread sliding?

"Bad on purpose (by 4chan standards!) to make you click", pushing other threads off the front page.

>front page
>not browsing by board catalog
hownew.ru :^)

Sorry to break character but I didn't want that to make an actual link, would anyone happen to know a convenient way to break autolinking with The Motte's comment formatting? disregard that nyeh

Hey I'm not the one on there whining about slide threads -- simple information man :)

thanks for the explanation.

sorry, Signal to Noise Ratio. By thread sliding I mean the drowning out of interesting content by coordinated spamming of low-effort noise. I'm not trying to not speak plainly, this is just my outside understanding of 4chan. Would that I could attend an academically rigorous course like Advanced Meme Magic Containment Methods.

I assume he means signal to noise ratio.

Thanks! That makes more sense.

My recollections of 2016 are clouded. I was barely 16 at the time

Speaking as a long-term mottizen this was a wild thing to read.

why exactly?

Just my age! I’m used to thinking that everyone here is a grumpy middle-aged person like me 😆

Everyone here is super nice to me because I've been posting here since age 19 iirc, mostly my life's story on the Wednesday threads. I don't post much cw stuff because nrx authors do that better than me anyway.

You're probably about 2/3 of the age of most Mottezians, from what I recall the last time a bunch of people mentioned their ages.

We should do an annual census, I'd be curious to see if the demographics are changing over time, and how.

Yeah, I was raised here in a way, spent a fifth of my life here, I'm not even super culture war heavy since regurgitating nrx stuff isn't super insightful

I mostly post life updates on the Wednesday threads. I hope I can get a startup exit in front of you guys lol.

Really? I was also 16 when Trump first showed up, I thought there was more people in their 20's here.

I think we exist in numbers, but we're less represented among frequent posters.

That's why.

We all feel like we just got here, and the 2016 election is one of the reasons why many of us are here to begin with. We feel like it was barely yesterday.

Stone toss never misses. Yeah, I need to get a move on in life.

The misinformation in your post and on twitter in general is reaching insane levels. People were voting without American citizenship?Really? Is there any proof of that actually happening? The answer is no , unless of course you pay attention to twitter nonsense too much. Voter fraud is extremely rare. I am waiting for any proof that supports the contrary.

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The misinformation in your post and on twitter in general is reaching insane levels. People were voting without American citizenship?Really? Is there any proof of that actually happening?

Other people already posted links, what made you think this is something that couldn't have happened, and anyone believing otherwise must to be a result of "insane levels" of misinformation?

This is exactly what I meant in my prediction post last night. He's already got everyone playing defense trying to prove reality is real to his satisfaction.

This guy from China voted and only got caught because he brought attention to it.

There is no reason to believe that this is "very rare" when there is no meaningful process to catch it. No one knows what the rate of non-citizen voting is because there is no meaningful source of truth database to reference against.

Wasn’t there the example in Michigan? The chinaman who voted and then told everyone about it because “?”

The biggest Steelman is that immigrants, legal or otherwise, are counted in the US Census. Then the number of Electoral Votes and congressional seats are apportioned based on that population count. So even without voting, the presence of illegal immigrants can affect the election.

Looking at which states gained and lost EVs, most of it seemed like a wash to me. But I have seen various people lay out paths to a Kamala victory that would not have been a Kamala victory with the pre-2020 electoral vote apportion.

Except they messed up the Census in a way that undercounts Florida by 2 and NY and CA by 1, and refused to fix it after it was discovered. If Trump sweeps the Sun Belt while Kamala wins the Rust Belt, which is not at all implausible, this error will decide the president.

The answer is no , unless of course you pay attention to twitter nonsense too much.

Am I reading this correctly that having evidence something wrong occured, is something to be ashamed of? That people get receipts for their claims from the one social media site with the least censorship is to be expected. You won't find anything which undermines the "US elections are secure" narrative in any space in which diversity of opinion isn't a desideratum. But more to the point, twitter is irrelevant here, as it is merely a secondary source. One can use to discover primary ones.

Also for any readers, there is a top level pos by @WhiningCoil just two posts down which gives evidence that non-citizens are voting in US elections.

The Chinese voter in Michigan: https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/30/politics/michigan-chinese-citizen-charged-after-illegally-voting/index.html

Charged with the crime, but the vote still is getting counted.

"The Chinese man – a student at the University of Michigan – cast his ballot on Sunday and then reached out to local election officials later that day in an attempt to get the ballot back, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The man registered to vote at the polling place on Sunday, the source said. He used his university ID and other documents to demonstrate his residency in Ann Arbor while filling out a same-day voter registration forms, the source said."

He wasn't even caught, he practically turned himself in. Granted, he was in the US legally, but he is a non-citizen that voted and got away with it but by his conscience.

Fair point. I may be completely incorrect. I saw quite a few posts from frog Twitter accounts, hence the post. Regardless, I get your point and will add tweets that did show it.

Voter fraud does not seem like a complete impossibility, elon here makes a claim about the state of California making voter ID check illegal which from my limited research does not seem far fetched.

Again, I am neither an American nor someone who votes. But in case this is correct, then there has to be some scepticism towards the American voting process.

Elon is a hack that's supporting trump in an attempt to avoid massive legal troubles. I am sure he also believes some of the nonsense he spews but that does not make him right. You should look into the voting issue a little more deeply. I am not American either but I attempt at all times to try and seperate the nonsense from reality. When it comes to voting the process is already safe enough from what I understand and fraud cases are minimal. Again you should look this up yourself from a wide variety of sources , but a propaganda man like Elon is certainly not a good source of information.

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I have the impression that Musk is just saying stuff he knows will play with Internet conservatives; it comes off a bit fake and pandering. I'd expect his personal opinions to be a lot more orthogonal.

"Fight the woke mind-virus" was good, but it's been downhill from there.

I did post a news source for that very reason. My skepticism comes from the fact that there aren't very many sources explicity stating that California requires voter I'd from all voters and is sticking to this requirement.

As for Elon being a hack, he's about as competent as it gets as a professional, I'm not aware of what legal trouble he may be facing so can't comment.

I'd appreciate any links if you have any that explicity mention what has been discussed.

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