hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
6hr ago
Nicene Christians use the term for themselves.
hydroacetylene
6hr ago
Scotch is also the blue-coded whisky; Bourbon and Rye are the red tribe hard liquors of choice.
hydroacetylene
6hr ago
There are photos of him in a fiddleback chasuble, and what we’ve seen this far indicates he likes at least some Latin and chant.
hydroacetylene
6hr ago
Prevost had actually been frustrating to the progressives for his unwillingness to put a political thumb on the scale in selecting bishops; the largely meritocratic process continued essentially unchanged through the Francis pontificate despite the progressive clamor to ‘select candidates who share pope Francis’ vision’.
hydroacetylene
6hr ago
Ratzinger was the overwhelming consensus in 2005. Bergoglio was genuinely surprising to secular media but informed watchers would have had him as papabile.
hydroacetylene
6hr ago
Because pope Francis famously didn’t like American conservatives and Prevost was known as a brown noser.
hydroacetylene
6hr ago
His mishandling abuse cases were known to Vatican watchers well ahead of time and probably the reason he didn’t make many lists of papabile. You’re suddenly hearing about them because he suddenly became pope.
hydroacetylene
6hr ago
He had a reputation prior to this as ‘somewhat of an empty cassock, company man through and through, tends to be a lib but is always always the most moderate of them, truly atrociously poor record of handling abuse cases’.
‘Centrist who lets the church float’ is probably about right.
I am surprised by this, mostly because his record on dealing with abuse cases can be charitably(not a typo) described as atrocious.
He has liberal friends, but a knack for being the most moderate in the room. He’s a registered Republican, for what it’s worth(probably not much), but also tweeted lots of criticisms of trump on immigration(also probably not worth very much). He has a reputation as a company man and was criticized by pope Francis’s more progressive Allies for keeping the old bishop selection process rather than putting a political thumb on the scale. His early acts will probably set a conservative tone but he’ll ultimately settle near the center.
hydroacetylene
16hr ago
Yes. I would rather the commons be shit up than used as a weapon against me and mine. I know you’re not a social conservative but surely you can see why I would hold this view.
hydroacetylene
21hr ago
Yes
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The French Revolution actually saw a large fertility decline. Communism generally saw the same thing, albeit with totalitarian back and forth.
The enlightenment was an intellectual movement that didn’t filter to the masses for so long it’s impossible to separate from confounders.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
‘Half of Americans can’t read on an eighth grade level’ is one of those statistics which sounds bad, but using the same definition how does it compare to other countries with ‘deep’ orthographies such as Australia, France, etc.
English is legitimately harder to read than Finnish, Spanish, and in fact most of the rest of the world’s languages. Add to that that the American education system just absolutely loves terrible teaching methods. An oriental grindset probably isn’t the solution compared to phonics and maybe spelling reform.
‘But the US has lower reading scores than Italy’ is just not a fair comparison. I would guess that, keeping the standard constant, the USA teaches reading about as well as Australia and France and only slightly worse than China and Japan. I could be wrong. But ‘making everyone so miserable that we have a .7 TFR’ isn’t the solution.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
I would say that if a pope is elected tomorrow afternoon it’s probably one of the four of Avelline, Pizzaballa, Erdo, or Parolin(like 60% sure there’s more than 45 cardinals dead set opposed to him but only 60%). On Friday I’d add Ambongo and Mamberti. Of course the three dinosaurs that were in JPII’s inner circle and just stayed in important Vatican roles are always possible.
If it goes longer than that, it’s anyone’s game, but it’s probably someone very old, because papabile settling for a compromise candidate want another shot at the top job.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
If I had to guess what actually happened, it's that a teenage girl in foster care(and let's be clear here- she was a sixteen year old in foster care) ran away from her placement(and it was probably actually legitimately shitty), encountered this guy(who it seems like she already knew) who offered to let her stay at his place for a while after she complained and she accepted with full knowledge that that meant having sex with him(if we have any teenage girls reading this- an older male acquaintance who's willing to let you sleep over because you're mad at your guardians absolutely expects that), and she either got mad at him for whatever reason or wanted to get out of trouble for running away so she said he raped her.
Yes, survival sex with teenage runaways is bad behavior. But rape charges over it getting dropped doesn't require any other explanation.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Uh, what percentage of teenage girls in foster care do you think get raped regardless of race? It's not just 'foster care is bad' level, it's 'a girl in foster care is unusually lucky if she's not sexually abused' level.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Based on the actual history of the progressive movement, in its many forms, I'd actually say that the central plank of progressivism is fertility control, not utopianism.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
My tribe- 'the church crowd' in vernacular parlance- does not want European style mass conformity, though. We'd rather the good, the bad, and the ugly with blacks than deal with that, at least as long as social progressives get to set the terms of it. You're way overestimating the solidarity across different social groups of whites in the USA.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
To be clear, my experience with ordinary, working-class-in-the-sense-of-actually-works and middle class blacks has been that they know there's an issue with their culture, are often frustrated with African American Community Leaders and democrats for not addressing or acknowledging it, and don't really like or want their kids around 'niggers'. Black women wish their pastors would do something about poor male behavior being endemic in their communities, everyone wants something done about (hard)drugs, black men wish working hard and staying married was more incentivized by their cultural taste-makers, and even the outright black supremacists are usually surprisingly chill with whites(not Jews though) in practice. Yes, many of them believe racism gets in the way, many of them think shitty schools can be fixed by shoveling money at the problem so more black kids can go to college, lots of them think jail isn't the right way to deal with drug problems, lots of them think rap music is fine instead of the root of half the cultural issues they complain about, etc, etc. Yes, they're often offended by white conservatives who answer 'well why do our schools have to suck?' with 'because your culture does', but you would be too- Vivek Ramaswamy may not have been right that American kids should be shoved into a South Korea type grind but a lot of the objections to it were based on offense rather than discussion of the data(for the record, I think the South Korean rat race is just pure pointless suffering and if I was dictator of South Korea I would legally limit school and study hours).
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The College of Cardinals acts as a supreme court in the event of an interregnum and they have ruled which proposition controls.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Particularly when that bureaucracy is a) Italian and b) specifically empowered to change the rules to accommodate unforeseen circumstances in the event of an interregnum.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
That line doesn't apply to John the apostle seeing the book of Apocalypse play out from the island of Patmos?
hydroacetylene
1d ago
If only the College of Cardinals had addressed this...
The College of Cardinals released a declaration on April 30, recognizing the right of all 133 electors to participate in the upcoming conclave and determining that the legislative provision of UDG had been tacitly dispensed from by Pope Francis when the set limit was surpassed
In the absence of a pope the College of Cardinals functions as a senate, although the legislation will need to be confirmed by a future pontiff.
Tomorrow or Friday the chimney will emit white smoke. The new pope will, after receiving homage from the cardinals, emerge from the room of tears and the protodeacon shall from the balcony overlooking the Vatican intone 'Habemus papam...' before the new pope shows himself to bless the crowd, the city of Rome, and the whole world. After this he will immediately confirm as valid legislation the decree of the College of Cardinals on this matter. All this has happened before, and it will happen again; the grand pageantry of tradition goes on and the everchanging world is transfixed.
I am reminded, when the queen of England died. A lunchlady- and this was in rural Texas, mind you- was distraught by the news. I did something to her walk in, she complained that, being a lunchlady, she would be unable to see the whole of the royal funeral, for it started at four AM and she needed to be at work at six- in the midst of mourning somebody else's queen. People care about the activities of legitimacy. The commoners cry out for a king. That's why the secular news livestreamed the chimney on the conclave hours before it would give any news, and on a day when there would inevitably be black smoke to boot. The commoners long for a ritual weight to legitimize the rulers, even if it isn't their rulers, unchanging tradition which says 'it's ok, we're still here, the world goes on'.
I've written before about Trump as the king of the red tribe. There's a lot of truth to that; he spun a narrative and then he goes and engages in the actions associated with authority. He pardons. He personally signs- Biden's autopen was a big deal for legitimacy reasons. He negotiates with foreign powers. He legislates- and his supporters are OK with that because he takes ritual, legitimating action. It says 'I am the king' and people believe it. The commoners have always loved the king. It's the way it is.
But back to the pope- papal legitimacy is not based on a valid election. It's based on universal recognition from the bishops and cardinals. The conclave is just a procedure to put forth a pope which the bishops and cardinals will recognize. Past conclaves have done some crazy things, but irregularities in the conclave can't upend papal legitimacy. What can is lack of assent from the bishops. And that was a serious and coming danger with the former pope Francis; the thesis that Benedict's resignation was invalid and thus pope Francis wasn't validly elected had become alarmingly popular from a stability perspective, and among alarmingly centrist clergy. It was only a matter of time until the cordon sanitaire broke and the bishops had to convene a council which would inevitably depose pope Francis- after all, he was unable to avert it. There'd been a respected, establishment-oriented priest excommunicated about once a week for it for the last few months of his reign. The growing popularity of the idea was probably why bishop Strickland was dealt with so harshly- you can't risk a serving bishop breaking for that. Electing a pope who can quell that is a top priority in the Sistine chapel right now, just as it was in 1978. John Paul II was able to convince the world's serving bishops not to join with radical theologians holding that the papacy had deposed itself, and their need to rely for ordinations on the senile brother of the former Vietnamese president who had been forced to retire from his episcopacy in Vietnam after his brother's assassination is why Sedevacantism is now a fringe movement of mostly actual literal cults in the sense of, like, compounds and identical clothing. No doubt, the trappings of legitimacy were an important part of the matter.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
It's probably not a shock to you that Protestants in practice tend to reinvent church authority by 'whose interpretation of the bible is the best' or that megachurch Protestantism, whether denominational or not, is an outgrowth of Baptist Protestantism. Baptist Protestantism(and Baptists insist by their own description they are not a denomination- the SBC is a confederation of 'local' 'individual' churches with fairly wide theological variance explicitly tolerated. Other Baptist conventions are very similar- that's why they don't call themselves a church, that's reserved for the 'local' 'individual' churches) in turn separated from Anglicanism through a radical rejection of the more high-church features of Anglicanism- in addition to the radical independence of Baptist churches, they also don't believe in the sacraments. Not 'restricted list of sacraments'- they full blown don't believe there's any such thing as a sacrament. Baptism, communion, marriage, etc are seen as commandments from God to mark a change the faithful have already made within themselves and not as actions that actually do anything. That's why they insist on adult baptism by full immersion; it showcases a commitment made individually which a child is incapable of making, and with that mentality an insistence on full immersion makes a lot of sense because the important thing is imitating what the bible shows and not the minimally effective form which an ex opere operato theology would point to. This is naturally orthopraxic, obviously, and one of the unspoken orthopraxies is that the senior pastor of an independent church needs to be followed in biblical interpretation absolutely(see 'Protestants in practice tend to reinvent church authority').
Enter the megachurch- an extremely large church, often with satellite branches, with a single senior pastor, many of whom are essentially hereditary. This sprung up around the same time as evangelicalism- which is really an approach to soteriology emphasizing the relationship of the individual with Jesus, naturally fitting the orthopraxic and internal-spirituality emphasizing nature of Baptist Protestantism(nondenoms are just Baptists light). But I think they're separate trends. There's lots of tiny Baptist/nondenom churches with a senior pastor who has a day job because the church isn't big enough to cover his salary which have the same soteriological approach. The soteriological approach also allows Protestants having it to reach a truce with Catholics, Orthodox, confessional Protestants, etc- the internal spiritual relationship with Jesus is more important than having a particular theological belief.
TLDR if you go to your nearest non-black megachurch on Sunday there's a decent chance one of the sermons will be livestreamed from the principle church(probably located in the south somewhere). A lot of Trump's megachurch pastors in his inner circle have congregants across the country, not just in their own city- I pointed out Jefress because he's based in Dallas, but there's other examples.
The Avignon papacy was resolved with the declaration of which line was the true one.
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