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				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
There are no infinite amount of federal agents, but it is possible that surging to one city for a few months, then another city, and so on might be the best strategy.  Or by refusing to back down in Minnesota, the feds are showing the other sanctuary cities that resistance is futile.  Minneapolis is a good starter city - medium size, possibly fewer organized international gangs, a good place to develop new tactics.


ICE will not continue to shoot a US Citizen every few weeks because either the states will capitulate and the peace will be kept or the states will not capitulate and the Federal government will step in even more until the peace is kept.  As far as electoral chances, what is the point of electing more GOP if they don't enforce immigration laws?  This is the biggest issue they ran on.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yes, I could justify an uncapped amount of federal agents to enforce very popular and longstanding bipartisan federal law.  The only restraining principle is the expense.


The most reasonable defense is that this is what it takes to capture only a tiny percentage per capita of people who do not have permission to be here compared with cooperative jurisdictions.  Just because jurisdictions are non-cooperative does not give them the right to defect from the country's laws.


Edit: And before you come at me saying ICE is suddenly unpopular in polls immediately after the shooting of Good and relentless negative news coverage, a majority of Americans still want more deportations.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
This one seems like a bad shoot but I really can't tell anything.  I'm not even sure I know who shot first.  I see someone draw their gun, but their arm seems weirdly angled for them to be firing in the deceased's direction.  When I watched the video from the other angle I thought maybe someone was shooting from within the building behind them.


I'm someone who generally sides with police and thought Babbitt and Good were both good shoots.  It's a harder sell when you have several men on top of the deceased.  If they saw a gun, the simpler thing would be for one of the men on top of him to restrain his hands or to grab it themselves.  Shooting him while there were still people holding onto him is reckless unless there was really imminent danger we don't see on the cameras.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The defense is pretty simple:


    

  1. There are still people in Minneapolis who have no right to be roaming the United States.
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  2. INS and now ICE is the duly appointed agency responsible to enforce the immigration laws our Congress has repeatedly passed with large bipartisan support over the last hundred years.
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  3. Minneapolis and Minnesota have refused to cooperate with these federal laws, necessitating a disproportionate number of agents in the area to help do both their job and the job of the police at crowd control and mitigating disturbances of the peace.
    4. 



Immigration on a massive scale impacts the country as a whole due to many factors, but one of the biggest is how congressional seats are apportioned and how our birthright citizenship works.  Minnesota cannot just press the defect button and rake in the political rewards.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Friday Fun Thread for January 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Short answer: It avoids activating the Randall Cycle and too many branch chain amino acids do things to you and it's all really weird but it does seem to work for people.


Long answer: https://deniseminger.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/


What I learned after a month is that it works at losing fat but I can't do a diet like that while feeding the five other members of my family healthy food.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Friday Fun Thread for January 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
As a side note, I tried the Kempner diet this year and ate some mashed bannanas with rice a few times.  It was actually pretty good, kind of like rice pudding.  Of course, I was eating it while doing a completely fat-less, salt-less, low protein diet so everything tasted good after a while.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Friday Fun Thread for January 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I prefer wool socks with rubber grips for around the house because household slippers can be hard to clean.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
At the same time, we have a draft.  It's not foreign to our country to have a concept of, "We will force you, at the penalty of a worse fate, to do something dangerous and heroic for the benefit of society."


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
On the American side, I just see everyone is dumbfounded.  There's plenty of people who are just attacking Trump as being Trump, saying he's going after Greenland to make a name for himself, because Denmark slighted him, idk.  The right is mostly in shock, with everyone scrambling to figure out how this makes the least bit of sense.  There are plenty of people who trust Trump enough to wait for a higher strategy to emerge.  But I've seen plenty on the right just confused, upset, weirded out.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Here's a map: https://catholicvote.org/tracker-church-attacks/


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I was listening to a left-wing radio program last night and the host and his guest were in agreement that protestors shouldn't do anything that physically prevents ICE agents from apprehending their targets, so this doesn't seem controversial to me.




But did you get the impression that this meant they should stay away from protestors who do use more physical means of resistance?


My understanding of the fact pattern, from watching various videos of these people, the videos they share amongst themselves and the videos of outsiders recording them, is this:


A bunch of concerned citizens join a Signal Chat together.  Some are actual committed anarchists dedicated to (mostly, but there's a literal holocaust going on so it's only a matter of time!) non-violent physical resistance against ICE.  Others, hopefully the majority, join to be loud and obnoxious when ICE is nearby to help non-citizens escape lawful arrest.   This second group serves to create confusion and doubt about the nature of the first group, though they may not see it as their role.  The first group encourages the second group because they hope to create headlines like, "Completely innocent Kindergarten teacher exercising 1st Amendment Rights pepper sprayed by ICE" when they inevitably incite ICE to take their disorderly conduct seriously.


Because the devoted anarchists do not always get in trouble, the Kindergarten teacher group sometimes forgets the line themselves.  If you see behavior repeatedly go unpunished, it starts to seem unpunishable.  That's how you get the "I'm just a mom" woman who ran red lights trying to box in ICE with her car.


And the Mainstream Media writes articles as if everyone is in the second group, and any evidence of the anarchist group is just someone in the second group getting pushed over the edge by vicious ICE agents.


But it's not quite clear to me that the second group is entirely innocent here.  Once they realize they are among people trying to physically interpose their persons and vehicles between ICE and the people they have a lawful duty to arrest, they share some blame if the tactics work.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
He was with the group before they went to the church and then when he went into the church he was weirdly aggressivly interviewing the pastor. "Don't you think Jesus would be understanding and love these folks [interrupting your church service and trying to chase your congregation home]?" He seemed to be involved with the planning. If it becomes a journalistic activity just because he has a camera when he's trying to force the pastor to give into the roudy mobs demands then whatever. A lot of people think he should have tipped off the police at least since he knew ahead of time this flagrant violation of the FACE act was going to take place.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Above all else, I just want to be a good Catholic.  And America is one of the best places in the world to be a Catholic, while China is one of the worst.  If you have other priorities and China comes out on top, you can try immigrating.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


none of which the protestors are known to engage in.




Are you sure of this?  I feel like you and I are talking past each other.  I see protestors do things like trying to box in ICE vehicles with their cars, get up in officer's faces while blowing whistles in their ears, use their bodies to try to block ICE vehicles, chase ICE agents around, put their bodies between ICE agents and where they want to go.  They often stop short of throwing the first punch but not always.  Is this all covered under the first amendment?


What about the gang lookout example?  Is the kid texting to warn his fellow ganstas when he sees a police officer walk on their turf committing any crimes?  If he knows that a crime is likely being committed, but might not know the specifics of who and what because that's not his job?


Also, thank you for responding, I do appreciate that you are taking a different side of things.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
But where is the line here?  A lookout for a bank robbery is presumably an accessory to the crime, even though his only role is to use his constitutionally protected speech to alert the other robbers to the police.


A lookout for a gang is presumably an accessory to a crime if they whistle out as soon as a police officer comes onto gang territory, even if they don't know which specific crime the police officer is investigating.  Or is that protected speech but the lookout for bank robbery isn't?  What is the deciding factor?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Better. Apparently he's being charged under the KKK act.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Blowing a whistle is not necessarily constitutionally protected though, there can be reasonable restrictions on noise levels.


Regarding City of Houston v. Hill, striking down a law that is too broad does not mean that none of the activities included in the law could be constrained by law.


The behavior of these people does not seem constitutionally protected to me.  They are, in a coordinated way, mobbing officers of the law in the process of enforcing the law for the purpose of helping people escape, in such a way that they are actually successful a lot of the time.  https://tiktok.com/@raebaebae28/video/7596446605474057527?_r=1&_t=ZP-93BispJ7Wlb


I hope a case like this goes up to the Supreme Court so we can get a clear ruling on this.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Would you like to specify which case you think matches Alice's example?  Because the ones that match most closely take my side, for instance:




Haig v. Agee concluded that an ex-CIA agent's "repeated disclosures of
intelligence operations and names of intelligence personnel" were as
constitutionally unprotected as "'the publication of the sailing dates of
transports or the number and location of troops,"' at least when the disclosures
were done for "the declared purpose of obstructing intelligence operations and
the recruiting of intelligence personnel."'




and




Several federal circuit cases have held that speech that
intentionally facilitates tax evasion, illegal immigration, drugmaking, and
contract killing is constitutionally unprotected.




At most your source is saying there's a complex history of caselaw here and the Supreme Court hasn't ruled on this action specifically.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Ok, but the standard is Brandenburg and Brandenburg says you can't incite imminent lawless action.  Evading the police is lawless action, and alerting criminals to police is inciting them to flee.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
That certainly is a narrative.  Going to stick with the factual bit at the top:




First, undocumented immigrants are, not to put too fine a point to it, undocumented. Oh, sure, you might catch and deport a few foreigners who overstayed their student visa, but generally the government is unlikely to have a complete list of all the people who illegally crossed the border and try their best to stay out of the governments databases.




Many get put into databases once they are arrested for crimes inside the US.  Others are caught on the border, start the process of removal proceedings, but are released on bond while their case goes through court.  Congress explicitly gave ICE the power to revoke bond or parole, at any time, for any reason.  Hope that helps!


Edit: I guess there was another factual claim there.  ICE is not targeting sanctuary cities as punishment for voting blue.  Most arrests take place in cooperative jurisdictions, like Texas, where 110 out of 100k non-citizens are arrested. In sanctuary Illinois, that number is 21 out of 100k.  https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2025/12/11/ice-jails-update/#:~:text=Impact%20of%20strategies%20to%20block,remain%20lower%20than%20other%20states.  ICE arrests in cooperative jurisdictions are easy, they just show up to the jail and it's done.  ICE arrests in non-cooperative jurisdictions make more noise and take more manpower.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Unlawful entry is criminal, not civil, under 8 USC 1325 carrying a maximum prison sentence of up to six months on the first offense (higher on subsequent offenses). That makes it a Class B misdemeanor (18 USC 3559).


So misdemeanor, no probs right?  Still way worse than a library fine, but less than a murder. But a significant number of people ICE targets are felons, as in having committed a crime inside the US which they have been found guilty of.  And a significant number of those who are not are guilty of committing crimes in their home countries.  ICE's method in Sanctuary Cities is largely to go to locations where released criminals are, arrest the criminal, and grab anyone else there who shouldn't be here.


Cato (a pretty hostile source) says:




The ICE data show that the share of immigrants detained after an ICE arrest who had criminal convictions has fallen in half since January from 62 percent of detainees to 31 percent in November.




Note they say convictions, many of those without convictions have pending criminal charges.  And then, as they say in the headline, only 5% have violent convictions.


So let's take that smallest number, 5%.  You only have a 5% chance each time you mob ICE of preventing a violent convicted felon from being deported.  If you make a habit of it, say you interfere in 10 arrests, you have at least a 40% chance of having interfered in the arrest of a violent felon.  Great work!


Edit: I changed it to "At least 40%" because from my understanding, ICE often targets violent felons, and then catches others unlawfully present.  So this is kind of a floor, the likelihood of a violent felon being caught in any given raid is likely higher than 5%.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Is it really constitutionally protected to warn a felon of the presence of the police?  Like let's say Alice gets a phone alert that a white murderer who killed three black kids escaped from prison.  Alice sides with the murder because she's a white supremacist. Alice later sees several police cruisers on a nearby street.  Worried that her favorite convict is nearby and will be returned to prison, she starts blowing a whistle and making a ruckus to help the convict escape.


That is constitutionally protected speech?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
"Because of the implication" cuts both ways.  The mob is perfectly capable of attempting murder, just look at what happens to Jake Lang yesterday.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yeah, but I'm slightly less ok with that.  Not 100% less ok, just slightly and it isn't really necessary to the point if we're comparing false positives on detainees.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The examples I gave in the OP had nothing to do with a false positive rate. I'll repeat:




But the problem isn't in the false positive rates, the problem is the methodology of accosting random people in public. I can point to official statistics about ICE to demonstrate that this is not their methodology. I do not have comparable statistics for Anti-ICE protestors, but I can point to them literally doing the methodology they accuse ICE of in broad daylight.