mixpap
22d ago
Its very easy to find evidence that shows that its not even close to 4. Its easy for me , for you and for Musk. I dont need evidence to claim he didnt make it in good faith , a lie even when said because of lack of knowledge , that also supports the position of the enemy of the person you are lying against. Certainly this statement cant then be made in good faith. It is a result of a person consuming too much Russian propaganda and there is nothing you can say that will make the facts change. I am not a liar since I havent made any wrong statements because unlike Musk I fact check my opinions heavily.
mixpap
22d ago
No he isn't. Not one thing was wrong. Musk has a disdain for the truth and has been caught doing nothing but blatant lying. What are the lies you accuse the establishment of? Because if you look a little deeper I believe you will see that they aren't lies but a shaping of the truth and that's a massive difference. This is literally what the media has been doing forever. The richest man in the world tweeting that zelensky has 4% approval is a new level of insanity and a blatant lie. You can't equalize these two things , they are not the same. And in fact no, Elon wasn't 'directionally correct' about covid. That's a massive discussion that can't be given a 'truth' 'lie' response , and that's the exact difference. What can be true or false is sam harris's point , that 35k deaths did appear and that 600k cases did appear. These are both TRUE.
mixpap
22d ago
Oh of course. I agree. In fact I would be even more pessimistic in my position and would say that you underestimate how much the younger generation ( 26 and under ) believes what they see on tiktok. I am 26 and see it relatively often in some of my peers , thankfully not many , yet the younger you go the more the percentage increases. Pretty depressing honestly. I personally believe at this point that X , tiktok and instagram are some of the worst things that have happened to humanity.
mixpap
22d ago
I don't think it's necessary to get into a deep analysis of the word brainrot , we know and you know what we are trying to express. A man that that might have been capable in a specific field , now very deluded and problematic in his statements ,getting involved in all kinds of things that don't concern him and lying constantly while doing it. If , as some have suggested , ketamine is the cause of his insanity then ketamine induced brainrot could possibly be a relatively accurate diagnosis? I am only half joking.
A definition of brainrot I found with a google search is “the supposed deterioration of a person’s mental or intellectual state, especially viewed as the result of overconsumption of material (now particularly online content) considered to be trivial or unchallenging. Also: something characterized as likely to lead to such deterioration”. I would argue that this is exactly what's going on with musk. He is degrading intellectually as a result of online content ( a lot of it being russian propaganda as I have many times underlined ).
Musk's constant antagonizing of europeans is not in question. So it's not that one tweet that's problematic , but his whole stance getting involved in shit he knows nothing about and shouldnt be involved in. The only asshole is Musk , in fact I personally believe most people are way too lenient on him. I like the way the french politician put it ,' the ketamine addicted buffoon' i believe he said.
EDIT: Also did you read the tweet , musk says verbatim ' Their entire front line would collapse if it turned off' . Very well could be a threat. And considering how much of a demented asshole elon musk has been that's certainly how I would take it too.
mixpap
22d ago
I am aware , that doesn't make it any better though .It is a cartoonishly ridiculous level of ass-licking. I could barely believe what I was hearing , rhetoric like that obviously has no place in a serious discussion. Children speak like that.
mixpap
23d ago
I think a common sense approach is best here. Rubio , while less then the others , is indeed showing signs of 'brainrot'. https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1898755922492588082 , this is not a serious answer to another politician who is correcting musk's nonsense, this would be considered a bad answer here on the motte , so you can't tell me it's an appropriate response for this level of communication. The US goverment is clearly confused, fanatic and out of control and the evidence is right there , no reason to trip over ourselves with analysis. There are literally hundreds of examples of this. I literally just yesterday saw a goverment official say something like ' trump is the only person in the universe that can solve the ukraine war' , yes he did say ' in the universe' , what the hell is going on? I am not even going to talk about Homan and his insane antics.
The whole thing is more performative then substantial, seems like everyone is trying to show off , with some of them being legitimately insane/incapable.
mixpap
23d ago
You can't find any reasons that the death camps were in Poland? There are many many reasons. Are you seriously going to ignore the decades of research and mountains of evidence ? Just by saying ' well the bad commies found the death camps so it must be a lie'?
mixpap
23d ago
Yes he denies that. And his baseless claims have been debated again and again and been found to be exactly that , baseless. A detailed analysis can be found here https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/
Why are you guys beating a dead horse? This stuff has been researched to death and no amount of antisemitic rambling will change that. Are you seriously trying to say no jews were executed or specifically killed? There is a huge amount of evidence on the contrary and I have to question your sanity if you say otherwise.
You are repeating stuff that has been researched and debated again and again. David irving put his career on the line over these nonsense ideas and was clowned in court over it. There is a whole book about that , but I am sure you will not spend the time to actually read since you don't really care about the truth.
The mainstream position is not as simple as you make it, of course I know you are not interested in the truth but here is a more complex analysis, https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab2-death-books/ though the entire 'mainstream position' would take a lot more to analyse.
History , especially history that people have attempted to obscure , is never simple to analyse and tends to leave gaps for the uninformed or the hateful to spread misinformation.
mixpap
1mo ago
Do you forget that this is exactly why NATO was built? Squaring off against a nuclear armed peer adversary.
mixpap
1mo ago
The understanding that war in Europe in the quest for control isn't a good idea and should not succeed? NATO's territorial safety? Giving an imperialist dictator a bloody nose? I can think of a couple of things. Why are you so ready to defend russia is the main question? Even if Ukraine hadnt actually defended any western value it was certainly supporting US interests in the region. Throwing an ally under the bus and bullying them like trump did is an obscenity.
mixpap
1mo ago
They haven't needed to manage without America because America managed for them in return for supremacy , that is the way of the post war order. The fact that Trump doesn't understand that and is clearly a bully in love with Putin is the main problem. The European politicians are a result of this state of affairs, a weak continent paying protection to someone else.
mixpap
1mo ago
It hurt me too until about a couple of hours ago. Honestly at this point , it can't come soon enough.
mixpap
1mo ago
There is a word for this. Arrogance. I can't even comprehend the level of arrogance you are showing. Pretty disgusting.
mixpap
1mo ago
When did anyone get anything for free? Most weapons europeans buy are american and the americans have infinite control over europe since the end of WW2 , the fact that you have been convinced somehow that you were taken advantage of is part of the problem. It was your president that yelled at zelensky and not the other way around. Ok since it's not acceptable , take your bases, dissolve NATO and leave the continent. You are doing us a favour and destroying your hegemony , win win.
mixpap
1mo ago
What source of knowledge are you using to form an opinion of what is or isn't in your interest? Because I am sure Obama would gladly say he acted like an idiot back then. Poland and the baltics border Ukraine which are in NATO , so of course it's not ideal for these countries to border an aggresive and expansionist Russia. How is this not clear? If you can't think like that leave the alliance, and if you have changed your mind that much change your foreign policy , just don't go around acting like trump is acting and disrespecting and bullying your former allies. I am from Greece.
mixpap
1mo ago
None of the things you just said has any basis in fact , sorry to say. I know already where you get your info. What does have basis in fact though is the propaganda masterclass the russians have played in your country ( and in europe too of course) , I am done trying to argue on this, if you seriously can support your president's conduct , you are welcome to cut ties with us and leave the continent. Do you think it's a coincidence everyone has started hating you? Maybe you should ask yourself ' Am I acting like an asshole ? '.
mixpap
1mo ago
As someone who prays for peace each night, I hope we're seeing some deep, strategic diplomacy from the Trump administration to secure
No. Trump and his administration are not capable of deep strategic diplomacy and I can't possibly comprehend how you guys haven't realised that. " Peace without ruffling Russia's feathers" , what are you even talking about? Is this irony?
mixpap
1mo ago
Yes they are. For 3 years they have been fighting to further your interests too , whether your interests changed so much that you now align more with putin is a different matter , but for 3 years yes they were an ally. The fact that you now align with putin so much that you dislike who he dislikes speaks to how unserious and untrustworthy the new US goverment is .
mixpap
1mo ago
Yes they are. An ally is not only an ally if they send you troops when you are attacked. Will Israel send troops if you are attacked? Yet your president ( and me too ) think Israel is an ally of the US. In fact by your very basic analysis of what ally means the US has no real allies. You support them because it's objectively in your interest to support them because you are part of NATO and NATO countries border russia who has imperialist designs on them. Pretty clear right?
mixpap
1mo ago
Clearly you don't understand realpolitik as well as you think. Embarassing an ally by speaking to him like that is not something you can get away with and I struggle to see why you think so, especially when you are clearly licking the boot of the enemy to do it . This isn't high school . America's standing in the world is already starting to erode and I hope it erodes faster and more decisively going forward.
mixpap
1mo ago
By trump and vance. They pressured zelensky with nonsense until he either had to completely bow down or speak up. Of course he reacted to the vitriol spewed against him like any serious person. So either trump and vance are clueless narcissists (possible) or they had this planned.
Context ' I said some nonsensical idiotic things 3 years ago , so you should take these more seriously then the idiotic things I said yesterday which were highly critical of you and positive of Putin' . Seriously? This is your argument? Elon isn't the 'person most responsible for keeping the ukraine army in the fight' that is a ridiculous statement. Are we saying whatever at this point without any interest to the truth? Seems like you don't actually understand context.
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