ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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2hr ago
If being mugged by reality turns a liberal into a conservative, what does being raped by reality do?
Anyway, if you want to get all metaphysical about it, I'd say the state of being raped is less about not getting what you want, and more about someone else taking something from you against your will. That something also probably needs to be very intimate, since mere material deprivation would fall under the above-mentioned being mugged.
ArjinFerman
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6hr ago
instead of the old style of racism, which everyone agrees is bad, it's racism which is really really really good at camouflaging itself
I'm afraid you'll step me through that one. What's so good about the camouflage? It seems to consist of saying blatantly racist things, and screaming until anyone who objects gets fired.
while condemning the actual liberals who have existed for decades.
I thought it was something more like centuries?
ArjinFerman
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6hr ago
but if we're reading the forum in normal mode, a filtered post appears like every other post to us (unless we happen to notice the little "approve" link at the bottom, so I guess having that appear in green or red to a mod might be of some use.
Right, this is what I meant. It might even be possible to highlight the entire post, rather than just the link.
there is a development discord and I think there are a lot of more urgent needs.
I tried to tell this to Zorba when he announced the discord, but I think he picked the absolutely worst way to coordinate development. Oh well, I'll hit him up and ask if there's anything high-priority.
ArjinFerman
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7hr ago
The post you responded to is filtered.
I might need to spin a local instance of The Motte for this, and it's been a while since I tried, but would some kind of custom CSS showing "hey this post is filtered out" help you guys at all?
Also, going only by your description, is there any chance that this is another Impassionata alt?
ArjinFerman
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7hr ago
A wave of terrorism, maybe. You need high-ranking officers to kick-off a proper civil war.
So what, specifically, do you expect them to do? Take away his IT loicense? His blogging loicense?
ArjinFerman
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8hr ago
A world where the natural warrior-elite of the USA (whoever that is, and even if it even exists) re-emerges and becomes a functioning warrior-elite would not be a world a Jewish nerd like Yarvin wants to live in.
Why not? Are you assuming he has direct political ambitions?
ArjinFerman
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8hr ago
I'm sure that's what those Tinder gals that have absolutely no romantic or sexual intentions, and just want to go on a series of first dates where the guy pays for everything, tell themselves and others.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
So your position is that if two people have sex, but their idea of what a 99th percentile good outcome might be (say, "he falls in love with me and marries me, so that I can move to the West" vs "she brings another hot girl along and we have a threesome"), exploitation is taking place? By that test, every human interaction is exploitive.
I mean... we do kind of apply that framework to most, if not all interactions. A lot of things are left unspoken, and the person who breaks such unspoken conventions is treated as a transgressor of some sort, if he does not follow them.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
Say what?
So your position is that prostitution always implies sex slavery? Someone tell Aella that she self-enslaved when she worked as an escort.
I think he stated his position pretty clearly - it's the same one you outlined later about it being hard to sort out which goods are legal, and which ones are illegal. An example of any particular prostitute doing it willingly is irrelevant here.
Also Aella is hardly the most fortunate example for your case. She might not have a knife on her throat, but a common argument for the exploitation in prostitution, is that it's taking advantage of people who were messed up by rape and/or other forms of sexual assault, and I seem to remember her saying directly that it's what happened to her. If you get your "willing" prostitutes by raping them first, I don't know if you can call them "not-exploited".
However, in the case of prostitution, this would be solved easily enough. Issue government IDs for prostitutes and decriminalize only sex for pay with registered prostitutes, while keeping the Johns on the hook for rape if they fuck someone without such ID who was coerced by organized crime.
There's a number of countries that have legal prostitution, and I don't think either of them decided to have such a restrictive system, and I don't think you will ever have one. With the incentive structure stemming from legal prostitution, you will always have a tonne of money backing the "legal, and not very tightly controlled" position.
ArjinFerman
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11hr ago
Damn, what do you do for a living?
ArjinFerman
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16hr ago
That's still a conspiracy...
ArjinFerman
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16hr ago
Or at least the guy thought they were no longer a sex-worker and turned out to be wrong about that.
That's a rather strange reading of what he said. Nowhere in there was any mention of her returning to prostitution.
If the guy believed being "good" requires not being a sex worker, then I can see how the relationship went poorly.
You think she'd be showing him undying loyalty otherwise?
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
It seems to me like all of the problems with liberalism amount to "what if people try to impose not-liberalism?"
If it's not-liberalism, why does it have such a huge backing from people calling themselves liberals?
I think it is more likely that people becoming fed up with wokeness lead to both the Trump victory and Scott feeling more free to speak his mind.
This is going to be hard to debate, as it largely concerns the inner state of mind of people I either never met, or met only online, but I have a lot of trouble buying into that theory. As far as I could tell wokeness was always ranging from an embarrassment to a source of terror. The true believers were always a minority (something in the range of 10% if memory serves, there were some studies / surveys done on that but I'm not sure I can find them), and it doesn't really look like they suddenly changed their mind either. If you look at the sentiment on Twitter, it didn't change because suddenly people got fed up, it only changed because people were no longer being banned, or were even getting unbanned.
To me it looked like Kamala vs. Trump was "Wokeness on trial", if it delivered a victory, we'd still be stuck in the 2016-2024 vibes. The Blue Tribe went all in with the Coconut-Couchfucker-Joy offensive and there was no sign anyone was getting fed up. In fact, I distinctly remember people making the same old "if you want wokeness to subside, vote for Harris" argument that they were making during Biden's campaign, on the same assumption that it's the trumpness of Trump that made everybody go crazy, and if he wins again, we're just going to have a rerun of 2016-2020... except that didn't happen, he won, and now everybody is talking about the "vibe shift". I really honestly doubt this would be happening if Harris was president.
I think that modelling Scott as someone whose most important political goal was to tell the world about HBD is likely wrong.
I agree, because I think the way you're describing it is going way too far, but to me it's clear the issue is quite important to him. I mean, it's literally the first thing he chose to talk about when the environment became more permissive. It's not like he's short on controversial takes he could revisit after the fear of cancellation went away,
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
That's strong "aside from that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" energy, he was on the opposite side of the single thing that lets him speak his mind now. In his defense I can only say that even I didn't know the election will have such a strong impact on the vibes.
Also, his past writings are good, but 2014 Scott is a very different writer from 2024 Scott.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
I never said that the feelings I have are good or healthy, just that I have them.
But let's not get carried away with all this "ally" talk. I expect an ally to do something when bullets are flying my way. And in any case, I don't particularly care about HBD, I care about people being able to talk about it, without being ostracized.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Do you think we'd be where we are now on the issue, if Harris won?
Why? Is discussion incompatible with democracy?
You gave "Voting doesn’t matter" along with "Discussion is pointless/conflict theory" as points that disprove the dissident right narrative. In the case we are discussing (I should have pointed out that "necessarily" was still meant in the context of the conversation, not universally) voting mattering is a direct consequences of discussion yielding no results, while a political victory caused a massive shift.
If discussion yielded results, it's not clear that voting would have mattered.
EDIT: actually let be more brief - when you are not voting on the issue that's being discussed, but the vote has a huge impact on the truth triumphing, while discussion has almost none, then the discussion not mattering results directly from voting mattering.
Although maybe that’s a caricature of alt right thinking on my part. A caricature of my position would be that billionaires/elites are just as influential as normal people.
Well, perhaps you can outline what your actual position is, and then I can properly respond to it? You've been mostly focused on caricaturing the right, rather than putting forward what you believe.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
The reason it rubs me the wrong way is that he used his influence, such as it was, to politically support the very people that were keeping him in terror of speaking out. A part of me feels like it's not fair he gets to breathe a sigh of relief now.
So voting works
Sure, but that necessarily means that discussion doesn't.
we’re definitely done with all the nonsense about elites controlling everything and democracy being a sham? Okay, next.
> A billionaire very likely changed the result of the election by buying a communications platform
> "we’re definitely done with all the nonsense about elites controlling everything and democracy being a sham?"
How? Why?
They did. Some, like our progenitor, in a rather ‘conflict avoidant’ way.
He didn't. He got bullied into keeping his mouth shut, and into personally shutting the mouths of anyone who agreed with him, until Trump won.
Or did HBD warriors use their fists beat up on their enemies until they gave up?
People, a large part of which knows nothing about HBD, used their votes to take away power from people who were censoring and terrorizing HBDers.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
He picked quite a few bones with the entire social justice memeplex, which was clearly backed by authority.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
What does taking over specific positions of political power have to do with the truth triumphing via discussion? Why were the intellectuals' tongues so tied before the elections? Why couldn't they just convince their opponents of the truth by making superior arguments? Yeah, in this context it's clearly conflict.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Discussion is pointless/conflict theory: The Truth triumphs yet again
...through conflict, and not through discussion. This is derived directly from the previous point.
Well, in this case we're talking about crimes that could have possibly already occurred, but are not proven yet. But at this point, why not a future pardon? "How dare you accuse me of assassinating my political opponent?! I merely gave blanket a future pardon to someone! That they just so happened to murder someone is mere coincidence, and completely unrelated to the act of me issuing the pardon!"
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