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Bingbong
1hr ago
Yeah the whole Israel/Palestine thing seems to have eroded the taboo around open Antisemitism to a large degree and this all just coming off that. Whether people have changed their privately-held views is another question, but generally taboo enforcement is down to Leftwingers so once they've decided to flip on an issue the whole discourse is gonna change.
PutAHelmetOn
Recovering Quokka
2hr ago
Of course but with logic like that, you also shouldn't abolish race slavery because next they'll give them the right to vote and then after that they'll be given Noble privileges without responsibilities and then...
faceh
2hr ago
You know I'm just going to cut through the epistemic fog once again.
If there's a festering level of antisemitism on amongst the GOP/Conservatives, its not having any noticeable impact on actual outcomes at the Federal or state level.
Can you name a single policy proposal, let alone an actual piece of legislation that was debated and voted on that could legitimately be characterized as 'antisemitic?' There are at least 38 states that explicitly passed laws that discourage anti-israel activities.
"Hints" and Dog Whistles and carefully cropped photos don't signal much to me when the actual legislation that is passed and enforced doesn't reflect that attitude in the slightest.
And uh, at risk of pure whataboutism, its been the left that is assassinating Jews and electing actually antisemitic politicians to congress.
Near as I can tell, there's <1% of honest-to-goodness Nazi sympathizers on the right. There's a larger contingent (still, <10%) who aren't antisemitic but also 'notice' that Jewish activists are behind a whole lot of the subversive activities on the left, and provide a lot of the intellectual cover for it's beliefs. The kind who see Soros funded plots behind every tree.
Then there's an actually significant contingent who are seeing the tension between "America First!" as a guiding principle and the eGOP's continual preference for assisting Israel and protecting Jews in ways they clearly do not prefer or protect other racial or religious groups, and find that suspicious.
I model this mostly as a tug-of-war between the waning Evangelical right that considers Israel their greatest ally, vs. the more secular newer right that doesn't consider the U.S.-Israel or Christian-Jewish relationship to be sacred and mutually beneficial. The latter may in fact admire Israel as a functional example of a Nationalistic, Jingoistic homogenous ethnostate with strict border controls, but wants some actual justification for spending U.S. tax dollars as economic or military aid to such a country.
And hey, it is actually obvious that Israel puts their thumb on that scale and does in fact us different forms of leverage to impact U.S. domestic and foreign policy outcomes, which is precisely why the aforementioned tension/tug-of-war isn't going to subside for a while.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2hr ago
The same hypothetical Jew would be better off with someone who they disagree 99.9% of policies with as long as that .1% they agree on was "don't kill the Jews"
Yeah, so Jews should probably disassociate from the "River to the Sea" people, who are the main group who want to kill Jews nowadays. They don't call themselves Nazis... but to be fair, their forefathers have been wanting to kill Jews since before Adolf was a gleam in Aloysius's eye.
Bingbong
2hr ago
And you've got most major digital marketing platforms actively hacking their own KPIs and the people just going along with it since 'Oh Facebook told me they're doing well, so by proxy I'm doing well'
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
2hr ago
What exactly are you asking? Are you confused? Are you not sure what the OP is asking? Do you not know any of the referenced details? Are you just trying to express disdain for the topic in the lowest effort way possible?
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2hr ago
Sure so why that particular verse in that particular version of that particular song? Even if you were to blindly pick Micheal Jackson songs at random, that seems unlikely.
Song was picked by Gen-Xer who liked it? Who cares?
"Was spotted." This was an op... did you send them?
Yeah it was spotted hanging there, with photographic evidence.
So you did send them?
Host of the Fresh and Fit podcast with over a million and a half subscribers in four years.
Never heard of it, or him.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
2hr ago
This appears to me to be engaging in bad faith. Either that or it's a low effort attempt at a zinger. Either way, don't do this.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
2hr ago
Things like the two party system and the idea of "left wing" vs "right wing" leads people to forming tribalist ideas of sides, but there are no sides. There are loose coalitions, with wide disagreements inside them. Communist left wing groups splinter all the time from purity tests and purging, and I'm sure there was plenty of Jews in Germany that approved Hitler's non antisemitic policies yet they died just the same.
Unfortunately, the sides we choose are as real as we make them.
Emphasis on the “we” part. It doesn’t matter if you don’t view yourself as being on a particular side if the other person does.
One of the things I think on is that Hitler was quite popular when elected. He got 43.9% of the vote. Presumably there would have a bunch of Jewish people (just like now with Jewish people having a wide range of beliefs) who would have gone "Wow Hitler is so great in so many ways" and agreed with him on most topics and just wished he dropped the antisemitism part. But of course, Hitler didn't drop it and those Jews died too.
You could have a hypothetical Jew with 99.9% of policy agreement with Hitler on every other topic except antisemitism, and that .1% is the difference between life and death. The same hypothetical Jew would be better off with someone who they disagree 99.9% of policies with as long as that .1% they agree on was "don't kill the Jews"
The violent and hateful members of "Your own side" will come after you too, because they are violent and hateful and that .1% of disagreement on "should the Jews die?" or "should I attack people who disagree with me?" is all that matters.
OracleOutlook
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
2hr ago
Trying real hard to be maximally charitable, but it appears you misread that statement and might need to reread the comment.
NunoSempere
2hr ago
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
2hr ago
It's been made very clear over the last few years that when leftists say "Nazi", they mean a family with a mom and dad who love each other and their kids, people who work out, people who are attractive and successful, people who are mentally healthy, who aren't unhinged neurotic messes and people who don't hate themselves for no reason.
Why, what did you think that word meant?
ToaKraka
Dislikes you
2hr ago
Major split among Anglican Communion announced
GAFCON, the movement of conservative, biblically orthodox Anglicans, has announced that it will no longer recognise the authority of the Archbishop of Canterbury. It has also told provinces to remove any reference to being in communion with the See of Canterbury and the Church of England.[3]
In what has been viewed as a major split in the Anglican Communion and a snub to the Church of England, the GAFCON primates have issued a statement which said the Anglican Communion will be “reordered” and provinces of the Global Anglican Communion won’t take part in meetings called by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Anglicans who hold traditional biblical views have long rallied against the Church of England’s stance on issues such as sexuality and gender.
The statement published on Thursday came almost two weeks after Rt Rev Dame Sarah Mullally was appointed Archbishop of Canterbury–designate, becoming the first ever female to hold the role.[2]
Earlier this year, the Church in Wales also elected Most Rev Cherry Vann, who is in a same-sex relationship, as Archbishop of Wales.[1]
Archbishop Laurent said the new structure will now comprise a fellowship of autonomous provinces and be known as the Global Anglican Communion.
The Global Anglican Communion will celebrate its formation at the upcoming G26 Bishops Conference in Abuja, Nigeria, in March 2026.
[1]
By celebrating this election and her immoral same-sex relationship, the Canterbury Communion has again bowed to worldly pressure that subverts God’s good word.
[2]
Though there are some who will welcome the decision to appoint Bishop Mullally as the first female Archbishop of Canterbury, the majority of the Anglican Communion still believes that the Bible requires a male-only episcopacy. Therefore, her appointment will make it impossible for the Archbishop of Canterbury to serve as a focus of unity within the Communion.
However, more concerning is her failure to uphold her consecration vows. When she was consecrated in 2015, she took an oath to “banish and drive away all strange and erroneous doctrine contrary to God’s Word.” And yet, far from banishing such doctrine, Bishop Mullally has repeatedly promoted unbiblical and revisionist teachings regarding marriage and sexual morality.
In 2023, when asked by a reporter whether sexual intimacy in a same-sex relationship is sinful, she said that some such relationships could, in fact, be blessed. She also voted in favour of introducing blessings of same-sex marriage into the Church of England.
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The first Global Anglican Future Conference (GAFCON) gathered in 2008 in Jerusalem to prayerfully respond to the abandonment of the Scriptures by some of the most senior leaders of the Anglican Communion, and to seek their repentance.
In the absence of such repentance, we have been prayerfully advancing towards a future for faithful Anglicans, where the Bible is restored to the heart of the Communion.
Today, that future has arrived.
A 4channer claims that GAFCON represents about half of the Anglican Communion's membership. Wikipedia appears to support this statement (1 2).
magicalkittycat
2hr ago
Biden and his viziers(because let's be honest, he wasn't calling the shots) refused to disown left wing radicalism the way you yourself note republican highers-up disowning nazi rhetoric.
I agree! Heck as many will point out, the silence around Jay Jones currently is a pretty good mirror at how people seem unwilling to disown and denounce those "on the same side". I think that "same side" rhetoric is nonsense and that the extremist radical violence lovers make themselves the enemies of all moderate non violence wanting folk regardless of any similarities shared, but the tribalism seems to have taken discourse everywhere.
crushedoranges
Can Marx explain the used panties market?
2hr ago
You want to call all of the right wing Nazis, so that doesn't make me particularly special in that regard. Give me some credit. I'm not stupid. Obviously you made this post not out of a desire for sincere debate but to tar every Republican as a Nazi by association.
So call me a Nazi if you'd like. So what? What does that change? What should a hot-blooded American do to a Nazi? Tell me what you're darkly hinting at.
There is no symmetry to this, because you could be openly and without hesitation be a communist and still be in polite society. Hell, you could get tenure. Do you know of any explicitly fascist professors in American academia? Is there a organization of fascists in similar scale to the DSA, heck, the Communist Party of the United States of America?
No. There was a cordon sanitaire that was working very well until leftists started to abuse it to push social and economic conservatives out of the overton window. There is no red scare in the modern day that is comparable to the brown: your argument is basically 'no u' with a bit of effort. Communist is not a slur in the same way fascist is. It should be - given how much atrocity has been committed in the name of class warfare - but it isn't. And you know it is.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
2hr ago
So with all this recent controversy, how big of a Nazi problem is actually festering
Pretty bad, but Trump is trying to deport the ones he can. Feel sorry for the Jews in NYC though. I can't imagine how emboldened they'll be with Mayor Zohran.
why do the Nazis seem to feel so comfortable in modern conservativism?
They mostly seem to pretend to be progressive, because that where the ethnonationalism they feel comfortable with is.
Sorry, you were talking about Hamasniks, right? The organization founded by Nazi allies and Hitler admirers, who are carrying on the work of Final Solution to this day?
Also, this Richard Hanania fellow sounds extremely vile given how comfortable he's admitted to being around shocking Nazi rhetoric. Didn't I just see something about him supporting the sexual assault of children, too? Sorry, I would check his substack, but I don't want to go to a place with that sort of vile rhetoric. Perhaps one of our resident leftwingers who love citing this odious monster can check for me?
I encourage you to think about this the same way you told others to react to the people praising the murder of Charlie Kirk.
I do, at the end of the day the individual actors are responsible for themselves. The average non Nazi conservative is not a Nazi because some other conservatives who are not them are Nazis. Many conservatives have actively condemned the growing nazi problem even, I linked some in the post!
Nothing here is contradicted in.
X person/type of person exists
Y other person is not responsible for X person.
Wouldn't you rather talk about something the other team did? Do you have statistics to prove who's more anti-Semitic?
I don't know if there's any good statistics that could show "who is more anti-semitic" but polls of Jewish people seem to be that they're about equal and I ask chatgpt for "Survey on anti semitic beliefs among left and right wing youth" and it tells me
In the U.S., a YouGov survey (fall 2020) of ~2,500 young adults (18-30) found that those who identified as very conservative were far more likely to believe long-standing antisemitic stereotypes (e.g. “Jews have too much power,” “Jewish businesses should be boycotted in protest of Israel’s actions,” or “American Jews are more loyal to Israel than the U.S.”) than very liberal youth.
And
Moderates (on either side) tend to have lower levels of agreement with overt antisemitic stereotypes compared to those who identify as far right or far left. The extremes show more of these beliefs.
So it seems about equal, maybe right slanted but overall "horseshoe theory" if anything.
Have you weighed what's coming out of the other side on that front lately?
Yep! I tend to save that for more left leaning communities. Conversations are more interesting to me talking about different perspectives and takes, rather than circle jerking around. All the things I agree with the typical Motte user on I don't bother to post too much of here, because I find it very lame. I don't need nor want people to pat me on the back and say I'm such a good boy for also opposing the rise in left wing antisemitism and violence. I see it as a waste, a conversation with little merit but stroking our egos.
magicalkittycat
3hr ago
The very understandable reaction: "fuck it, you're calling me a Nazi, I might as well be one."
So are you saying you're a Nazi then? I guess add another on the pile of growing unashamed nazism.
magicalkittycat
3hr ago
Which is to say they posted a video containing a Michael Jackson song. Of all the controversies surrounding Michael Jackson, that was the least
Sure so why that particular verse in that particular version of that particular song? Even if you were to blindly pick Micheal Jackson songs at random, that seems unlikely.
"Was spotted." This was an op... did you send them?
Yeah it was spotted hanging there, with photographic evidence. That article came out recently and I did not see it yet, although there still lies a question of why did Dave Taylor's office use the flag while others threw theirs away.
Who?
Host of the Fresh and Fit podcast with over a million and a half subscribers in four years.
ccc
3hr ago
Apply some symmetry to this.
It's your fault that the left is full of communists. To be specific, it's the right's fault to calling everyone they disagreed with a commie. They called Carter a commie. They called Clinton a commie. They called Obama a commie. They even called Biden a commie.
The very understandable reaction: "fuck it, you're calling me a commie, I might as well be one."
So Bernie and Mamdani and Mangione and Hasan and Chapo and CHAZ and the entire fifth columnist anti-American left is actually the right's fault for calling the left commies all the time.
This is ironically a very lefty type of argument. Blaming other people and systemic issues for personal failures.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
3hr ago
You have to be trolling, right? This is the most naked and shameless call for a double standard I've ever seen.
Everything you just said also applies to you. If morality is not tit-for-tat, then you still have an obligation to police your own side. And you don't even engage with the concept! Just slide right past it and press the attack. It's like you're brain damaged, or suffering some kind fo anti-memetic effect.
Or just egregiously obnoxious.
I, too, have literally no idea what I just read
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