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EdenicFaithful
Dark Wizard of Ravenclaw
2hr ago
Too early to tell, but it's written well and looks effortful.
The main reason I'm reading it is because I want a sense of the ethos of a lost culture. Not really expecting to learn truths about the human condition.
Lizzardspawn
2hr ago
Has anyone of you ever bought/subscribed to anything from youtube sponsorships? To me everything looks like crap or scam. So I wonder - who buys it, for them to make any money.
Lizzardspawn
2hr ago
Indeed. What is strange is that I am absolutely sure i posted there.
SwordOfOccam
2hr ago
Ah yes good point.
Islamic terror/violence used to be neither right nor left-coded, but as of late it’s pretty left-coded.
OracleOutlook
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
2hr ago
I'm not going to make a comprehensive argument for the existence of God, any suitable argument would be at least chapter-length. You brought up Feser earlier, I wonder what you've read of him. Five Proofs of the Existence of God provides five chapter-length proofs. If you've only read The Last Superstition or even his beginners guide to Aquinas I don't think you've seen the best he can do.
As far as what relation the robots have to a proof of God, the analogy is this:
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The robots with their hands down express now everything we see does not exist necessarily.
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That the robots are programmed to raise their hands if one next to them raises theirs reflects how contingent things derive their existence from another contingent thing.
DiscourseMagnus
2hr ago
So are you picking a strategy to deal with "the machine the progressive left has built", or the humans it has as parts?
Pulpachair
2hr ago
I don’t believe this is common among Democrats.
Unless they’re jewish on the wrong side on Palestine.
SwordOfOccam
2hr ago
Paul Pelosi was attacked and it was very common to propagate a false narrative about it being a relationship issue and jokes were rampant. Very bad taste. Seems suggestive of the Right’s attitude toward violence against its political opponents.
You’re hilariously trying to establish a required level of evidence that must be equal, instead of being able to extrapolate from incomplete evidence. The counterpart of this would be for me to point out you can’t prove the negative if an exact case on the other side has not yet happened. I suggest you try reasoning from impartial evidence instead of trying to incorrectly try to win a logical argument.
Here’s an interesting fact that turned out to be a bit predictive:
The most recent December 2021 poll by Lilliana Mason and Nathan Kalmoe found increased justifications of violence from the left: 21% of Democrats (and 16% of Republicans) thought punching members of the other party was justified, while 13% of Democrats (and 9% of Republicans) justified killing at least some members of the other party.
Also there’s the fun phenomenon of GOP officials fearing right wing violence.
https://apnews.com/article/house-speaker-jim-jordan-threats-54eeecef0188edfcb9903e45019f190f#
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/politics/threats-us-public-officials-democracy-invs
I don’t believe this is common among Democrats.
So yeah, I think it’s preposterous to pretend that the present American Right doesn’t have a political violence problem, even if it’s not exactly the same or as large as what we are seeing from the Left re: Kirk.
Eetan
2hr ago
I'm sure he would have been identified eventually, but on the other hand he had sufficient leeway if he didn't confess/brag to probably get out of the country without anybody raising him.
Get out where?
If you look at succesful escapees from highest profile manhunt, the secret is to have friends/family in third world country who will hide you (while the authorities are not looking very hard).
If you are Diego Robles, your chances are good. If your name is James Robinson, forget it.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2hr ago
But human beings are almost never actually literally defectbot. A defectbot is not intelligent, it does not adapt or respond, it cannot be reasoned with or bargained with, it cannot change its behavior.
The machine the progressive left has built has humans as parts, but it is not human. It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear. And it only talks about tit-for-tat with forgiveness when the 'tat' to all its 'tits' finally comes around.
daguerrean
2hr ago
Yes, I recall a good deal of sympathizing even here, of all places. I wonder if Kirk’s assassination has caused many of those people to reconsider. Or is it just another case of “no bad methods only bad targets”?
JarJarJedi
2hr ago
Should they have been killed? Probably not
Probably? That's how you know your moral compass is malfunctioning. When you ask yourself "how do I feel about brutally murdering a person that said something offensive to me?" and the answer is not "fuck no, not murder!" but "well, maybe no, maybe yes, he was really annoying so kinda murder sounds right but those people around me say murder is bad... so hard to figure this out... should I err on the safe side? Should I hedge more? It's really a tough conundrum!".
And, of course, you should only talk about punching other people's faces in if you're willing to have your own punched in for your opinions. Yes, I know yours doesn't smell. But that's how it works. I wouldn't accept this deal, I'd rather have a deal where nobody's face getting punched in, but maybe some people enjoy their faces being punched in?
JarJarJedi
3hr ago
There's a wide gap between "illegal" and "detrimental to the society", and it is not closeable in any reasonably organized society that allows any freedoms to its members. You have conflicting interests here - the consumers of healthcare want to have maximum care for minimum cost, the providers have limited resources which will never be enough to provide it, and the middlemen want to extract profits. There's not really an optimal arrangement that you could legislate. Even if you make a totalitarian dictatorship fully dedicated to regulating and distributing healthcare, you still will have people who think they don't get enough care, and some of them will blame the providers for it. Sure, you could legislate against some of the toxic behaviors, but you'd get a set of others in response, and another set of people being mad about it. US is not in a great spot here, for various reasons, but there will always be something to complain about.
Obama was, in the referenced Tuscon speech, speaking soon after the Gabrielle Giffords shooting that is now seen as one of the earliest examples of political assassinations now frequently discussed.
Obama wasn't "adopting a frame," he was telling the truth, and liberal/progressive attempts to turn the Tucson shooting into a political event to pin on conservatives are rank propaganda.
Everyone remembers that Congresswoman Giffords was wounded during the shooting, but the [edit: typo, thx @NewCharlesInCharge] one guy who was actually killed - Judge John Roll - was a Republican, appointed by Pres. G.H.W. Bush, who had struck down the Brady "assault weapons" ban.
The shooter himself, Jared Lee Loughner, was himself described by class-mates as "left wing, quite liberal," and (ironically for Lakoff) was obsessed with the idea that the structure of English grammar controlled people's thoughts.
Realistically, Loughner appears to have been genuinely detached from reality, claiming to have mind-control powers. There's never been any evidence linking political rhetoric from either of the parties to Loughner's actions, nor any evidence that Loughner had any support in either his ideas (such as they were) or actions.
MathWizard
Good things are good
3hr ago
But human beings are almost never actually literally defectbot. A defectbot is not intelligent, it does not adapt or respond, it cannot be reasoned with or bargained with, it cannot change its behavior. It is an automaton, it always defects. A defectbot in real life is a killing machine, and I agree that the only response is to kill it before it kills you. If your opponents are humans, they are not pure defect bots. And if they were close enough to round off the difference then we would already be in a civil war killing each other. If they start marching the streets gunning down every conservative they can identify, then I agree we shouldn't sit there and let it happen. But we're not there yet, we're not very close all things considered. Maximum defect-defect leaves us with 170 million corpses minimum, likely more. Tit for Tat with forgiveness is likely to lead to far fewer.
Eetan
3hr ago
How many Muslims that moved to Europe converted to Christianity, vs. how many Christian Europeans lost their faith within the same timeline?
Europe ceased to be Christian in traditional sense long before modern Muslim immigration began.
The question you need to ask is: how many Muslims assimilated into modern Western godless materialist life, vs how many Muslims reacted to living in unbeliever land by becoming more strict and fundamentalist?
(native European conversion to Islam is, so far, demographically insignificant. Michel Houellebecq utopia is far away.)
The issue is that not only is the creed not enforced, being active hostility to it is allowed, and often encouraged
The creed is very much enforced and resistance was not tolerated until very recently. See that even as recent refugee from war zone, you have no choice than to actively affirm the creed to be accepted by society.
gattsuru
3hr ago
I'd be surprised if the porn and ERP were particularly useful for that. I won't say those spaces keep their jorking material and their political advocacy separate, because they don't (cw: fully clothed trans / hyena fem wearing tight pants from behind), but there's enough difference that a prosecutor is going to have a lot of work to do in order to get a judge to sign off on presenting the smut as evidence rather than the political discussions. Again, not a lawyer, not legal advice, and the rules are pretty open-ended, but this is pretty common a problem.
SSCReader
3hr ago
Luigi's trial is going on right now in New York, and there are large numbers of people celebrating his tactical legal victories in court.
Do note that as Ben Shapiro found out, that large number of working class right wingers are also pretty much on board with Luigi. It is not a right/left issue it's a working class issue. Ben's video (which he even had to change the title on) got 8.5K likes and some 45K dislikes, on his own channel. Very different than his usual ratios. I think Charlie Kirk had a similar thing with his comments but given all the noise about his murder I can't find that right now.
Check the comments about it if you don't believe me. That's why Luigi is getting so much support because struggling with health insurance is a bi-partisan activity.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uJC_2zh21YI
Some excerpts (and this after they start deleting negative comments, but obviously gave up as their were so many).
My dad has voted Republican in every local, state, and federal election since I was born in the 1980s. I was with him when this news came out and he said “about time”. Read the room, Ben.
Ben, you're rich. Enough. Stop. You do not experience the implications of what denial of healthcare means for poor Americans.
I have never seen the left and the right be so united since 9/11,
Bro’s getting roasted here for defending a scam health insurance CEO. Did Ben actually think we would take his side?
Voted trump 3 times in a row and laughed my ass off at the news This isnt a left or right thing, its a populism vs establishment thing. You can't complain about the government wasting the tax dollars we put in, and then turn a blind eye to insurance companies denying necessary care from a pool we pay into. It's the same thing, and it's been happening for too long
Ben you're waayyyy out of touch. "Just don't choose United healthcare" " just don't work for an employer that has United healthcare". is the same thing as saying. " Just don't be poor" "just don't struggle in life" its your choice.... It is not because the reality is I have to pay bills in order to survive!!! I cannot just pick my health insurance!
I'm MAGA, I guess I'm a leftist now
So odd when you say ''the left celebrates'' but i've seen legit everyone laugh at this CEOs death since we've all been fucked over by health insurance, It really shows how out of touch you are with blue collar workers who pay for insurance for years then don't get anything since even a minor health issue can get you denied.
Conservative California here, this is not a left or right issue but every varied political ideology coming together celebrating the victorious policy made from the people and not the ruling class.
It’s not only the left dude, all my coworkers voted for trump and reposted artwork of the shooter in their Twitter.
I’m not going to lie. I don’t feel bad for this guy and I’m as conservative as it gets. I get it’s not all him by any means and he didn’t create the system. But they’ve denied sooooo many claims for greed. While yours or my mother could have passed because of it. This was overdue. Sorry for his children and wife. But these insurance companies are the worst of the worst. If you feel pity you either haven’t researched the issue. Or you’re privileged and never had to worry about healthcare. Watch your mother die before your eyes because an insurance company deemed her dispensable to their bottom line. This is the result sorry not sorry
Not Left yet I Celebrate !
Ben, I’m an avid right winger and this is just a bad take. This is a working class issue! It’s not just the left.
Im a conservative and I completely agree with the Democrats on this one the healthcare system in our country is a disgrace and the fact that luigi killed a mass murderer is not a form of terrorism Just because the wealthy say so
The left? I'm a 3 time Trump voter and I'm celebrating
Idk, I’m a Trump voter and I’m not sad about him dying. Our health insurance in the U.S. is dangerously greedy, resulting in many deaths.
Im on the right and admire Luigi. Media wants us all separated. I just unsubscribed. My grandmother was tortured byUnited all the way as she died. She was Republican too.
Not Ben accidentally uniting us 💀
And so on and so forth.
TowardsPanna
3hr ago
Thank you. Is it any good? More insightful than the usual western psychology fare?
EdenicFaithful
Dark Wizard of Ravenclaw
3hr ago
Eetan
3hr ago
Are you looking for a complete creed and list of enforcement mechanisms? If so, I'll concede that I haven't thought that deeply about it. But as a summary, I'd say, "I'm imperfect, so I'll just go with whatever the pope wants." (See also: Edict of Thessalonica)
Yes, you need to think deeply about it. Who is the Pope (or Council, if you happen to be Conciliarist) who gets to decide what the Creed is?
When the Creed changes, what should happen to Americans who do not get along fast enough, and to Americans who actively reject it?
If Hasan Piker gets killed tomorrow you think it will be well-behaved reactions in general from the Right?
Yes. You will get nothing like the sadistic glee that came from the left. The most you'll get in terms of similarity will be "wait, seriously, we're doing it for this guy?" if the left chooses to go full national mourning over it, the way the right did for Kirk (and even then I'm not sure, because Hassan Piker is a way better choice for a saint than George Floyd was).
gattsuru
3hr ago
I mean, how do you surprise your live in romantic partner with a political assassination?
The same way you surprise everybody else: keep your mouth shut and your material hidden? We are here on the Devil Sacrament three principled libertarians and a zillion witches website; I know some people here share everything with their SO, but we do realize that it's not the only option, right?
The machine. The humans have added their biological distinctiveness to the machine's own.
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