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wemptronics
2hr ago
It's definitely still a thing, but district dependent. My high school had a fully equipped shop that was converted into a storage room years before my family went through. Not sure whether that was a district call, funding thing, liability or what. I would guess at some point a decision had to be made whether to fund the shop class, art, or other extracurriculars and my high school decided to dump the former.
I was talking about this with my father. He grew up in a rural area. He had both a woodworking shop class and a metalworking shop class at his high school and took both. That must have been in the 60's. A shame, really.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
2hr ago
I'm obviously no Einstein, but I think I fit into the "didn't do well in school, did well IRL" category pretty well. If people like me were the reason for schools doing whatever the hell they are doing now, it truly feels ridiculous.
Not only don't I see how any of the changes to education systems that I observed over my lifetime would help me fit in, the only thing you'd have to do to make me happy is get rid of credentialism, and let me learn what I want to do on my own (which is exactly what happened).
To your question, I often wonder if I wouldn't be better off going to trade school myself, but when I was growing up that was widely seen as the loser trajectory, so I was avoiding it like the plague. The end result being years of wasted effort at university, as I'm smart enough to get in, but unable to grind long enough to graduate.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
2hr ago
You (and many orhers in this thread) are acting like an MBA from Harvard or Yale is the seed corn of civilization, not the actual corn.
jkf
2hr ago
The ones who did badly and were put in the bottom track because they were rebellious or narrowly-focused and flourished once they got into a more open-ended environment.
Is this really a bad outcome though? If you manage to get every smart person into the white collar stream, you no longer have any smart blue collar workers to advance society in those areas.
Gaashk
2hr ago
I think that number includes 504s and BIPs (behavior intervention plans), and IEPs is closer to 10%
MadMonzer
Temporarily embarrassed liberal elite
2hr ago
They’re not mutually exclusive. Romulus, notably, was both a mythical father figure of the Romans and the Latins were a real ethnicity.
I was thinking of the period when the Roman Empire was explicitly multiethnic, during which the deified Emperor was the mythopoetic father figure. The growth of the Roman empire (small 'e' as the process begins under the late Republic) involves a series of extensions of increasing levels of political inclusion (socii, then Latini, then full cives Romani) to people who were increasingly obviously not ethnic Latins.
self_made_human
Kai su, teknon?
2hr ago
https://x.com/NotBrain4brain/status/1900118469447987317
This is one particular example of a prompt where prior image gen models failed terribly. They didn't really understand the concept of negation, to gloss over many details, the models treated "A room with an elephant in it" and "A room without an elephant in it" interchangeably, mentioning an elephant, or even the absence of an elephant, would get you an elephant in the room.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
2hr ago
No, and don't call me Shirley.
As a parent your kids are ultimately your responsibility, your investment in the future of humanity. No one else can be expected to care more about thier future/individual well-being than you.
hydroacetylene
2hr ago
But the most successful large tribes - including the Roman Empire and Christian Church, and therefore Western Civilisation, were based on fictive kinship through a shared mythopoetic father-figure, not realish kinship determined by ethnicity.
They’re not mutually exclusive. Romulus, notably, was both a mythical father figure of the Romans and the Latins were a real ethnicity.
hydroacetylene
2hr ago
Sweden had lost Finland to Russia relatively recently, and both Sami and Finns are extremely northern euro looking. Russia had also not expanded as much into Central Asia and Siberia as it later would.
Ioper
2hr ago
School might not be directly liable for long term consequences like someone eventually becoming a drug dealer but they are legally responsible and liable for most of what happens in school, extending far beyond just education.
hydroacetylene
2hr ago
This was a proxy for about 10,000 other things that bother severe autists about wearing clothes.
VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
3hr ago
No doctor, sports PT or coach has ever quite told me that though, probably because it's considered rude and most people can't reliably and significantly affect their weight.
Serious coaches and such also have to be careful because eating disorders are common among (elite) endurance athletes: "if losing 10 pounds made me faster before, let's try it again" only works a finite number of times. There is a point, which I would doubt you've hit so far, at which losing weight is actually detrimental or harmful to more general health (hugely increased injury risk).
Celestial-body-NOS
🟦 Thou calledst me a dog before thou hadst a cause. But if I am a dog, beware my fangs.🍞🌹
3hr ago
teaching ... severe autists not to strip naked because their tags are bothering them ... is something which requires lots of expensive specialists.
Or a ten-dollar pair of scissors. (Cf. the Hair Dryer Incident, Slate Star Codex, November 2014.)
hydroacetylene
3hr ago
There was quite a bit of grassroots resistance to the reformation in England and the Catholic Church has an entire category of saints associated with it(the English martyrs).
Notably also, the Anglican Church maintained until quite recently that divorce was impossible; Henry VIII’s annulment was based on a dispute as to whether Catherine of Aragon had consummated her marriage to his older brother before his death, which would have rendered the marriage impossible due to incest. The effect of the Anglican Church on marriage practices in England was restricted to a literal handful of cases.
Shrike
3hr ago
Oreshnik
Seems inferior to the Avengard in capabilities to me (lower reported top speed, right, and apparently not a maneuvering hypersonic glide vehicle but rather "just" a MIRV), do you think otherwise?
If it can't stop the Houthis
We've been discussing the technical capabilities of interception. My understanding is that the US Navy intercepted quite a few of the Houthis' rockets. I believe the Houthis' success over the US military is not in the technical realm but rather in the fact that they are using cheap weapons in great quantities. Similarly, the Russians are overwhelming Ukrainian air-defense right now using, basically, mass-produced flying lawnmowers. All of this has little bearing on the technical feasibility of an intercept (but is obviously extremely important when it comes to the question of how to economically wage a war.)
I freely admit ignorance as to how a soft-kill system would work here, so I'll just take your word for it that they'd be able to stop some missiles - but I don't think they'll be able to stop enough missiles to make strikes with large enough numbers to get through uneconomical.
Yes, soft-kill is interesting because it could fail entirely or it could work nearly 100% of the time. Against a radar-guided weapon you could jam it or you could use decoys and chaff that either mimic or mask the ship. Against a visual/IR weapon you could steam into a fogbank or, if no fogbank is available, you could attempt to blind the seekerhead with a laser weapon. These are deployed en masse on helicopters but I don't think onboard ships. I imagine the reason for this is because most anti-ship seekerheads are radar-guided, although some of the newer Western systems (like the LRASM and NSM) have visual/IR sensors.
It's anybody's guess how effective these systems are but it's hard to hit what you can't see.
Ioper
3hr ago
That depends entirely on what constitutes "special education programs". I remember going to some supplementary reading classes during grade school, along with a good number of other students, for an hour once every couple of weeks for maybe a year. Were we a special education program? It wasn't part of our regular class and we met with a special education teacher. Some other people went to a speech therapist, was that a "special education programme"?
Without knowing how special education program is defined, these kinds of stats aren't very interesting.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3hr ago
Vor einem Gericht, glaubt einer der Beteiligten, würde nichts davon Bestand haben. /
/ One of the participants believes it would not hold up in court
Na ja, dann natürlich... The germans really cant help themselves.
Es soll jetzt schnell gehen, was wohl auch mit zwei politischen Veränderungen zu tun hat: Wenn eine neue Bundesregierung unter Friedrich Merz (CDU) im Kanzleramt auf eine weggeschlossene Geheimbewertung des BND stieße, würde das kritische Fragen nach sich ziehen. Zudem hat der BND seine Schlussfolgerungen Ende 2024 mit der CIA geteilt. Was die Deutschen denken, weiß also bald auch die Trump-Regierung. /
/ They are in a hurry, likely related to to political changes: If a new government under Merz (center-right) found the secret report locked away in the office of the chancellor, it would lead to critical questions. Furthermore the BDN shared its conclusions with the CIA in december 2024. What the germans thing, the Trump administration will know soon after.
I do wonder if the decision to tell the americans really came before the worries about the new german government, especially with Trump already elected. I certainly thought about the timing right away.
Well sure, I’m not saying that kids who are college material should go work at a nail factory for forty years. This seems like a significantly worse life than being an accountant or claims adjuster or whatever other unglamorous white collar job. But we shouldn’t shame people whose abilities simply aren’t that great into going to college or bust. Society needs garbage collectors, it needs nail makers, it needs forklift drivers and ditch diggers.
As an aside, restaurant managers don’t really make more than full professors unless they’re top performers. Their pay tends to be performance based(health scores, keeping within budgets, and drive through times for fast food) and most restaurant managers are not towards the top.
hydroacetylene
3hr ago
It seems like public schools in the major cities in Texas have this, albeit as a patchwork and parents have to opt in. There’s career high schools, taking classes at community college is free(and community colleges are willing to track much more aggressively than high schools), etc.
I think we’re coming back to involved parents.
hydroacetylene
3hr ago
I’ve known a few people who graduated from highschool with welding certifications less than ten years ago. They all went to school in less affluent white parts of the far burbs, though- redneck parents have a higher risk tolerance and are also more willing to bluntly admit when their kids need to focus on non-college skills.
hydroacetylene
3hr ago
The actual educating kids on their life to a halfway house is in fact very expensive- teaching Downies basic skills for taking care of themselves/severe autists not to strip naked because their tags are bothering them/etc is something which requires lots of expensive specialists.
Most IEP’s are not that. Sure, parents are notorious for faking a ADHD diagnoses for extra time(and we should probably crack down on this), but I suspect school admins love putting kids on IEP’s because they get more money. School admins are not averse to fraud and have as their primary overarching goal spending as much taxpayer money as possible, no matter the effect.
Eetan
3hr ago
In related news, coronavirus research in Wuhan lab goes on.
No need to be worried, plebes. Trust USG, trust CCP, trust the experts.
functor
3hr ago
Is it really that bad that 25% of students get individualized coaching? The IQ spread between a student with an IQ of 70 and one with an IQ of 130+ is far too great to teach them together.
The speed at which students will learn 9 years worth of material will vary vastly and the pain points and bottle necks in learning will vary vastly. It isn't at all surprising that at least 25% of students will be out of sync with the curriculum.
Fair, but insofar as the republic’s expansion over the Italian peninsula is known about, Romulus as father figure to ethnic Latins dominating the peninsula is a major part of the process.
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