Be advised: this thread is not for serious in-depth discussion of weighty topics (we have a link for that), this thread is not for anything Culture War related. This thread is for Fun. You got jokes? Share 'em. You got silly questions? Ask 'em.
- 163
- 3
What is this place?
This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a
court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to
optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.
The weekly Culture War threads host the most
controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are
appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy;
if in doubt, post!
Check out The Vault for an archive of old quality posts.
You are encouraged to crosspost these elsewhere.
Why are you called The Motte?
A motte is a stone keep on a raised earthwork common in early medieval fortifications. More pertinently,
it's an element in a rhetorical move called a "Motte-and-Bailey",
originally identified by
philosopher Nicholas Shackel. It describes the tendency in discourse for people to move from a controversial
but high value claim to a defensible but less exciting one upon any resistance to the former. He likens
this to the medieval fortification, where a desirable land (the bailey) is abandoned when in danger for
the more easily defended motte. In Shackel's words, "The Motte represents the defensible but undesired
propositions to which one retreats when hard pressed."
On The Motte, always attempt to remain inside your defensible territory, even if you are not being pressed.
New post guidelines
If you're posting something that isn't related to the culture war, we encourage you to post a thread for it.
A submission statement is highly appreciated, but isn't necessary for text posts or links to largely-text posts
such as blogs or news articles; if we're unsure of the value of your post, we might remove it until you add a
submission statement. A submission statement is required for non-text sources (videos, podcasts, images).
Culture war posts go in the culture war thread; all links must either include a submission statement or
significant commentary. Bare links without those will be removed.
If in doubt, please post it!
Rules
- Courtesy
- Content
- Engagement
- When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.
- Proactively provide evidence in proportion to how partisan and inflammatory your claim might be.
- Accept temporary bans as a time-out, and don't attempt to rejoin the conversation until it's lifted.
- Don't attempt to build consensus or enforce ideological conformity.
- Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.
- The Wildcard Rule
- The Metarule
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
The last time I recall a thought experiment based on global choices being discussed on the Motte, it got quite heated and divisive. Hopefully this one will be more fun, if y'all are willing to indulge in a bit of daydreaming and power fantasy.
Pic related. TLDR: you are one of a number of people given a choice between 10 sets of powers, with corresponding agenda that make them stronger when followed and taboos that make them disappear for a time when broken.
What do you pick? What do you think the world will be like, and how do you intend to make it?
Personally,I am a bit torn between Amlia and Marked. My Amlia powers will likely not be too strong, since I don't think I'll find it in me to dedicate myself to healing the sick full-time. However, I can expect a good deal of goodwill and protection from society, and have the Sanctuary to retreat to if shit hits the fan bigly. Marked's total immortality is tempting, but I don't want to stick around floating in the void until the heat death of the universe, whether as a soul or as a body. Finally, XM sounds like a decent, if more daring, pick. (It is not clear whether XM powers are at a constant level, or shift based on an inscrutable variable).
It's Lux for me, anything that boosts your intelligence is very powerful. We live in a world of machines and mathematics.
World would be pretty fucked. However, MBTI suggests most people are inclined towards the Lawful Good end of the spectrum, so the bottom ranks wouldn't be very populous. They'd be manageable. I envisage a huge machine of Ur knights and healers, probably the most popular classes - funded and organized by Lux masterminds who control everything.
Some other CYOAs I like:
Tarots: https://imgur.com/a/y4b0UVY
I'm torn between The Magician and Strength, they're all so good! The Minor Arcanas are an afterthought and don't matter IMO.
Some long-form interactive CYOAs:
https://travellers-cyoas.neocities.org/Cultivation/ (Traveller's made quite a few but I think this is his best, the others tend to be overly complicated)
https://swcyoas.neocities.org/soyouwannarulethegalaxy/ (trending more into that overly complicated zone but there's great charm in the original Expanded Universe idea)
The World tickles my encyclopedia completionist side, I must say. How easy would it be to lift myself off my ass is arguable, even in a brand new fantasy world, though. I'd hope the sense of restlessness the card induces would compensate for my homebodiness.
More options
Context Copy link
Do you think the Luxors would be in control? With the divine leadership aura, I expect the Urians to be calling the shots. Von Neumann didn't rule anyone.
Von Neumann was merely a savant, not a remote-control technomancer who can steal knowledge! 3x thought speed is also a huge advantage.
Ur needs guidance, they need to know where the bad guys are to smite them. Who's going to be telling them where the bad people are, who's going to be controlling the satellites, the cameras, the cars and sensors? I see their angels of righteous fire and I raise them swarms of drones and missiles.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
Ur, Amilia, and Marked are the easiest to avoid the taboos of passively if you want to just have a free power and not dedicate your life to advancing some cause.
I'd probably go with Amilia, become the head of a magical hospital where I heal people for money (and have enough EMTs and ambulances to keep people alive until I can get to them, and get obscenely rich while simultaneously helping people. I assume that charging money for healing is a lot less pleasing and would advance the agenda less than doing it for free, but it's not strictly taboo. I think as long as I don't turn away poor people, healing anyone who comes and simply charge them proportional to their ability to pay, it'll probably be fine. I assume that the existence of other Amilia users will drop demand to reasonable levels such it won't lead to absurdly high prices like it would if you were the only one who could cure otherwise incurable disease, but one in a million multiplied by the proportion of people who choose Amilia means this will still end up with a lot of money.
Alternatively, see if the Fae power can be munchkinned for absurd amounts of money by growing rare spices or something. Depending on the growth rate and quality/quantity it can be used on at a time, it might be more profitable to heal people entirely for free to boost your strength more and earn all your money from growing stuff. Though again, profits will be mitigated by other Amilia users.
More options
Context Copy link
Ersu for the ladies’ locker-rooms.
More options
Context Copy link
Link is broken.
Try a VPN. I'd put the picture on imgur, but I only ever see everyone here use catbox.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
Boo!
More options
Context Copy link
Marked, just because I'd assume it's a lie or demonic scam so I'd walk out on it.
I think the problem with refusing deals with the devil is that there's the assumption that the devil needs your consent. (to present a choice where all options are a change from the status quo)
Forces outside my control or understanding can determine my entire life- my parents certainly did when I was little! But if I have no actual agency ever then I'd like to petition a higher power to turn my consciousness off forever.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
I didn't get past the second choice. Amila, 100%. There was a time where I debated to myself what kind of superpower would be the best to have. That was before I became a parent. No debate, it's magical healing, by a long shot. Everything else can be fixed, except people.
If I had such a power I'd spend the rest of my life traveling from hospital to hospital, healing everyone there. I'd let people know in advance, so they could bring their sick and crippled. I'd start a nonprofit organization to support my work and auction off the right to be the first three people healed by me at any of my stops to the highest bidder in order to fund it.
I would never retire.
And what do you do when a disciple of Quet comes calling?
In the early days, just die probably. Assuming the sanctuary power doesn’t work when cursed.
If I can get my operation going, we can expand. I could hire disciples of Ur as bodygaurds, hire more healers to expand my operation, and eventually build a secure hospital facility of my own that people can be flown to. If we pair healers up two by two then if one is cursed the other could potentially sanctuary them both to safety.
More options
Context Copy link
Heal the mental illness that caused them to choose Quet, at which point they will see logic and throw themselves off a bridge.
While I don't think being murderous is necessarily a disease, an Amlian's touch does "remove anger and aggression". Also, it isn't against Amlia's taboo to have a bodyguard squad nearby who will shoot dead anyone who resists your calming touch, smacks you with curses or brings a pack of zombies with them.
Also also, I'd expect Amlians to be among the least attractive targets. Their powerset is one of the least useful for a murderboner, they are liked and protected, and if you're heavily wounded just ask for their service like any other normal disciple. Tank the disfavor for sparing them if you have to.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
Ur the Wheel. Bring righteousness, inspire respect in others. What’s not to like?
More options
Context Copy link
Optus the burdened. I don't see why a hedonist would chose anything else. I would turn my tap water into gold and sell it. The vault would be extremely useful. You can summon a weapon, use it on someone and then disappear it. You could also store all your cars, helicopters, jets and boats in the vault so no worry of theft or vandalism.
Lux Divine Watchmaker is amazing but no sex is a deal breaker.
Why would anyone chose Quet? You would have to be so angry at the world to want to fight disciples you've never met.
I've polled one of my chats and saw one person pick Quet, as they said, to ensure other Quets don't touch them. I suppose that's where the parallels with "red button/blue button" come in.
More options
Context Copy link
You are aware this is from 4chan, correct?
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
These files (many, many more are available at this link) always make me extremely angry. Why are people so obsessed with making them images rather than PDFs (or, even better, HTML files)? The 4000×4000 JPEG file linked above is literally four megabytes! Imagine how much smaller it would be if text were actually stored as text.
Image hosting is straightforward, jpeg decoders are well established and safe.
They can be easily generated by taking a screenshot.
Bundling text and images together into a safe format that works in different screen aspect ratios is a surprisingly difficult problem. You're introducing a lot of complexity in generating them and safely displaying them.
I find it extremely unlikely that the thousands of people who create and view these "CYOA" documents have all refused to install PDF and HTML/EPUB viewers on their computers due to fanatical cybersecurity concerns.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
I can't open the original file on mobile. Are one of these the same as what OP linked?
They're all big JPEG files in the same vein, but not identical.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
Probably due to the fact that websites such as the one you linked are called imageboards.
The format is pretty awful, though, at least in the image linked in the top post. A grid of 3x3 means having to scroll left and right and then down then left and right, which is a pain in basically any browser compared to just scrolling down on 9 rows of 1 column.
More options
Context Copy link
/tg/ allows PDFs as well as images to be uploaded.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link