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Friday Fun Thread for March 1, 2024

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So how many of you were at Aella’s birthday party?

Sir, this is the Friday Fun thread, not the Monday Man-Made Horrors Beyond Your Comprehension thread.

This is not fun to talk about.

Sometimes I read about shit like this and just think "you know what, I can see where Osama bin Laden was coming from".

Why?

Because his whole thing was that the West was irredeemably degenerate and needed to be destroyed.

I meant more why do you think that's a sign that the world would be better off with the West destroyed.

I just find the arrangement so depressing. This mechanistic, dispassionate attitude towards sex; totting up who put which member into which person's orifice and for how long, who ejaculated in whom and after what interval; the idea of making the act of losing one's virginity into an item on a clickbait article to be ruthlessly monetized (a buried lede, but not even behind the paywall!); the knowledge that Aella probably won't even take a shower after fucking forty men back to back without a break.

I can't quantify this grotesque circus from a utilitarian perspective, perform a cost-benefit analysis and determine that the utility of everyone involved is higher than it would have been had they not partaken. The quanitification involved is precisely what I find so gross about it. That fucking flowchart is more viscerally disgusting to me than any of the bodily fluids mentioned. Nerds being incels is their natural state - they shouldn't be fucking, because when they do they turn sex into this empty, clinical, deracinated, joyless sexless thing. At least when Chad has emotionally empty sex with Stacy (whom he has nothing but contempt for), you know that they're both deriving some kind of pleasure from the experience and aren't just being entered into a spreadsheet.

empty, clinical, deracinated, joyless

Reading the blog it sounded like everyone had a great time with lots of fun. Probably not much emotional intimacy, but I don't see why that matters. It was done with precision and rules, but that's just because rules keep things orderly. You might as well call a game of Monopoly clinical and dispassionate because people agree ahead of time to take turns in a specific order.

It really feels like your whole reaction is just "This is really gross to ME, so I am EXTREMELY offended that other people do it!". Bad enough that you think you know Aella and the participants better than themselves and that you think you can judge that they'd have been better off not doing it. It's much worse that it's emotionally affecting you to such a degree and that you seem to think they deserve some sort of punishment or at least social ostracization from all of society for having a gang bang.

it sounded like everyone had a great time with lots of fun

By her own admission, Aella was terrified going in, had to be (consensually) pinned down to prevent her from striking or biting the men fucking her, and says she'd never do it again. Reminds me of that joke "9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape". Not in the sense that she was raped (it was consensual) but in the sense that I don't get the impression she enjoyed the experience half as much as the male participants. (Although that being said, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if in a few years when the OnlyFans money dries up, she decides to reinvent herself as a #MeToo icon and cites this experience as an example of the humiliation and coercive control she experienced at the hand of an abusive boyfriend/the entire rat community.)

It really feels like your whole reaction is just "This is really gross to ME, so I am EXTREMELY offended that other people do it!"

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It's much worse that it's emotionally affecting you to such a degree and that you seem to think they deserve some sort of punishment or at least social ostracization from all of society for having a gang bang.

Consenting adults can do whatever they please in private. I can respect this right without being happy about every specific thing they do.

I don't get the fascination with her. At all.

Aella is the planet pluto.

There are thousands like her but, for some reason, the rat community has decided to deem her special and different.

Edit: At the time of my initial post above, I thought Aella had just had a, you know, birthday party.

A 42 person gangbang............there are no words.

She's relentlessly self-promoting and targeting a particular niche and being very practical about it.

There's a fair few quite thoughtful 'content creators' but her drive for self-promotion is way, way beyond any of them.

She does something that, as far as I know, literally no one else does. She applies statistics to what makes sexual activities pleasurable and the best ways to do and get it from a female perspective. She also frankly talks about the kink community which I can enjoy from an anthropological perspective, and uses the rationalist lingo which I lie.

The one time I saw a graph of hers posted somewhere (here, maybe) the instrument was a Twitter poll, which--I am no psychometrician but I took a few courses in stats, and more to the point research design--seems of dubious generalizability just considering the homogeneity of the sample (thirsty horndogs). Are these pilot questionnaires? Is there some degree of scrutiny of the research design or is it just ask some questions, get answers, and make interpretations? But honestly I have never looked too closely. Maybe there's more to it than I imagine.

She does a lot of Twitter polls, and I think it's important to recognize them for what they are, and not give them more or less credit than they deserve. They are not making grand sweeping claims about all human kind, they are looks into her follower base. They can be the first step to seeing if speculation into a topic is useful(what kinks are especially rare even among kinksters? Are any kinks that are thought rare actually ubiquitous?), where the Twitter poll is not supposed to be the final answer but rather the first question.

A lot of times too she looks into the relationships between two variables, like say income and kink. She might ask, Do you have an income over $100k? Are you kinky? Yes/Yes, Yes/No, No/Yes, No/No. Then the conclusion isn't that if 50% of responders say Yes/Yes, that 50% of Americans have an income over $100k and are kinky. It's about seeing that if more wealthy followers are kinky than wealthy followers are not kinky, but the relationship is reversed(or even just less extreme) among the poorer, there might be something interesting going on there. Among normal people the % of kinkiness for all groups might be lower, but it's quite plausible the same relationship will exist.

I'll give her that this is pretty funny. Also her noting how her "internal screaming" at getting penetrated by 42 guys was irrational so best just ignore it. That was funny too, went around twitter a lot.

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I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

I had thought the gangbang thing was a joke. I was wrong.

The amount of mirth internet has derived from the "came in fluffer" line making it over to linkedin in memes more than makes up for any internal screaming and regrets Aella suffers, so I guess, it's okay.

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I just learned her real identity a few days ago after following some threads from the guy doxxing eigenrobot, realized I'd already heard of her father separately, and I think now my reaction to whenever I hear her mentioned, after whatever the newest escapade is, is just going to be feeling horrified that raising a child can turn out that badly.

Any chance you could clue me in, or am I better off not knowing? Hadn't even heard Eigen got doxxed. Who did that?

There was one unhinged account that existed solely to antagonize him, that's since been suspended.

I didn't see any proof that the guy claimed to be him was him, but eigen seemed to treat it as true, and the guy pointed to sources that seemed to have known him at some point personally.

I don't want to dox her further, but: her dad is a relatively well known evangelical protestant christian person. He was popular in the 2005 era internet atheism wars (as a person trying to pwn atheists with facts and logic [about the bible]).

I don't have daughters and always wanted one but sometimes imagine this kind of thing and wonder how I'd react. Not well, I'd imagine.

There is a reason honor-killing exists.

There is also reason why the "having a daughter is the ultimate and final cuck" copypasta has the power it has, that most men feel a sense of existential dread at the thought of having a daughter, and many #girldads find ways to cope and not think about it (especially if they don't have sons as a source of distraction and compensation).

Another example would be Mayli/Amelia Wang (real name: Kelly Baltazar), father was a Goldman Sachs vice president. She did hardcore porn immediately after turning 18, including Facial Abuse. Her father tried continuously to throw his balance sheet at getting her videos disappeared off the internet, but was not completely successful. Then he died.

Her fun little excursion doing things like rimming some tattooed greaseballs, vomiting on their cocks, and getting facialed can still be viewed on sites like Spankbank.

Let me reiterate, she has no shy solo teen scenes. In her most vanilia scene, she gives a five minute rimjob to an elderly citi-...

Her dad bought all three of the scenes so technically he owns all three of the scenes with his daughter in them! He did this to file copyright claims to any site who might have his daughter's scenes.
Now that he passed away, the only thing you need to decide is if you want an 1080p upload of Mayli blowing snot bubbles on a 43-year old man's dick or if regular 720p is enough to save on the bandwidth.

Mayli had an issue with selling weed at Georgetown a few days earlier and it didn't sit well with the family
Mayli got 200 dollars for the Facial abuse shoot.

Well that's the saddest thing I've read all afternoon. Paying $80,000 a year to send a girl off to college to do drugs and fuck hundreds of guys might be the most degrading thing in the world.
That bucktooth smile of hers is adorable though.

Paying $80,000 a year to send a girl off to college to do drugs and fuck hundreds of guys might be the most degrading thing in the world.

Yet a deci- or centi- amount of that much dick is a common experience for college daughters while their fathers foot the bill.

$80K a year would be consistent with Sam Hyde’s estimate of $250K all-in for sending a daughter through art school, especially given inflation since then.

I suppose, coming back to this topic, that the question is whether you’d rather have a failson or a whore daughter. My sense is that the latter is more preventable than the former, although I’m actually not sure.

Unfortunately, I think there's strong evidence that, until the 20th century in the West, the overwhelming majority of sons were failsons.

The stat is common enough that I won't take the time to cite it, but something like 70-80% of human ancestors are female. This makes all the sense in the world when you think about hypergamy especially before the true institutionalization of monogamous marriage (and, in many parts of the world, including the west, its continuation today). Warlords and kings ffffuuuccckkedddd and most soldiers, peasants, military-age-males did not.

The fact of the matter is most men in history failed to reproduce. Now, you can make some arguments (with which I would agree) that that doesn't necessarily make them automatic failures. If they led honorable and virtuous lives, if they died fighting for a worthwhile cause etc. But inherent in all of that is a lot of value judgements that could shift based on the viewer. Something like passing on your genes would probably be close to a human universal "he done good!' criteria. I am open to disagreement here. I'm just trying to establish as objective and discrete threshold as possible for fail/urenot-failure.

I lean towards the idea that having a whore daughter at least feels intrinsically worse because of the inherent value placed in women. Things like dowry's exist across hundreds of cultures for a reason - sexual and reproductive access is important.

But there may be a little trick here. How many women, across history, have a "ho phase" followed by decades of monogamy and legitimately good performance as a mother? You can adjust "ho phase" sensitivity by time and culture - anything from "Mom spent some time as a ... waitress ... on the sunset strip in the 1970s" all the way to "Lady Kingsbury-Hampton-Bottomtooth once spent an unchaperoned weekend in Marseille. London society was quite atwitter!" The point is if we're looking to designate "whore daughter" with some sort of discrete event or events the same way we are for failson --- you might have a higher number of qualifying applicants than you'd like.

Porn and OnlyFans are a different spectacle altogether. People do things in private, enjoy them or don't enjoy them, and adjust their behavior and values accordingly. When you broadcast intimate acts to literally the entire internet'ed world it really smacks of a lack of awareness or a deeply narcissistic tendency that, to me, is far more worrisome than the dick coefficient of your life. And here's where I'll beat my favorite deceased equine; the sexual revolution made whore-dom cool and passed it on to young women utterly incapable of making sound judgement calls on actions that will impact them for the rest of their life. I'm empathetic to a teen girl who is angsty with her Goldman Sachs dad (yo, but, like, can you maybe slip him my resume lol?). If she decides to go off for a few months with the town badass (barbed wire tattoos, somehow got sent both to and home from boot camp, "knows a guy who can get us illegal fireworks") that's fine. Or, rather, that used to be fine. Now it's ... not enough? Now "sexual expression" is .... FacialAbuse (dot) com (don't google it, save your soul).

I’d personally rather have a failson. Maybe at some point he’ll find some ambition and turn his life in a better direction.

If a daughter’s gone whore, there’s no putting the toothpaste back in tube. The dicks she’s sucked and taken aren’t going to unsuck and untake themselves. It reminds me of a possibly apocryphal recount of the aftermath of a chick posing nude for Playboy, that her family went on with life as if she were dead.

In the Wang example, your beautiful little girl having a mixture of vomit and semen, and possibly urine and ass juices, rubbed on her face while she asks for more will forever be seared in your brain (until your death) and forever available in thousands of minds and hard-drives of people out there.

I don’t know about preventability, although I feel like I’ve thought about it and then forgot or kicked it out of my memory for cope reasons. I probably have more control over a son not being a failson than a daughter being a whore; there are substantial cultural pressures that encourage a daughter to be a whore, or at least a thot.

Interesting. I suppose, though, that the daughter is still likely to continue your genetic legacy, while the son probably isn’t.

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Goldman Sachs vice president.

To be fair, who isn’t a VP at Goldman these days?

I was actually thinking about that while writing the comment, that a "vice president" in financial institutions can be some rando in their late 20s, some guy or girl who managed to survive and wanted more after his or her Associate years. But given Kevin Baltazar's age and the context, I just figured the normie F500 definition of VP was more germane here, especially since even the C-suite at GS can have "Vice President" in their title.

Last I heard or read, the primary title dilution controversy at GS nowadays revolves around "Partner."

Then my friend has a strikingly beautiful daughter who is now 19, speaks two languages fluently and is studying to become a veterinarian. I suppose it's never too late for vomiting on cocks for cash, but one has to think positive.

Indeed, growth mindset 📈.

Ooooh, someone's mad he didn't get in.

A joke. I try to make a joke.

Ha, at this distance I probably just don't know enough about her to froth at the mouth. I'm not immune to various Circes. Or sirens, for that matter.

She’s just another odd internet character within this strange little rationalist Silicon Valley world from which this community originates, except she’s probably the only prominent woman and worked as a prostitute, which obviously adds some interest.

But does she really have a heart of gold?

I couldn't speak to a heart of gold, but she at least occasionally has something interesting to say. Not as often as people would have you believe, but sometimes. I recall reading a long blog post she did about the business side of prostitution which was legit fascinating. Not something I would ever really have learned about otherwise.

Me neither. There's this corner(s) of the rationalist community/discourse that is about the personal lives of popular Rationalists, Aella, Polyamory, Sex, and I hate it. I have nothing against Aella the person, she has a niche and does what she does, but talking about Aella... FUCK YOU I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THE PALE SKINNED ONLYFANS GIRL

My broad take is.. (rationalists) are a bunch of insufferable dweebs. They have cool models and ideas, which I don't mind incorporating into my own, but please don't impose your dweeb shit on me, I'm just here for the models and ideas and not who is fucking who.

i like to pretend its not real and just modern art

Some of the memes are pretty funny: https://twitter.com/iroasmas/status/1763947341038469418

Properly laughed out loud at that, thanks

She makes content specifically intended to titillate nerds, who are thus titillated.

I'm pretty much a nerd, and I genuinely don't know if I could get it up for someone who by her own admission only bathes once a month.

She's repulsive based on that alone.

I'm a nerd and I've always found her repulsive. She has a very unexciting body(just me) and her faces scares me.

It's not her look or coloration, it's just that she looks like an alien wearing a human suit. Something forced and uncanny about all her facial expressions.

I was wondering when the Aella gangbang discourse would make its way here.

The surprising thing is that I can't think of anything interesting to say about it. I haven't seen anyone else have an interesting take either. Aella is such a unique human being that any minor updates that info from one additional gangbang could provide have approximately zero relevance to any other societal issue.

Did she allow something like 10 men to gangbang her at the same party? Absolutely bizarre and pretty disgusting behavior.

37 according to the substack post.

It's about as edifying as a man signing up to 37 porn sites in one day. It's an anti-achievement.

It could be a Clerks reference.

i thought 42 might have been a deliberate reference but it looks like they invited 43 and there was a no show. i'm sure these numbers are just coincidences and not deliberate numerology.

Hmm, yes… gangbang discourse. What is there to say—whores gonna whore? In this case, very much literally.

Perhaps you and everyone else are just “it’s all so tiresome”d out, because Aella is not so unique in her brazen promiscuity among e-thots, but more unique in her success with “not like other girls”-ing and having eked out a niche in the nerdosphere.

Obligatory Valentina copypasta reference: “Of all the rationalist sphere-adjacent women (so far), Aella seems like the most ‘unique’ human being—by far. Skilled, tough, smart, beautiful…”

The part with her ignoring the "internal screaming" at the gangbang broke containment and spilled over into esoteric RW twitter. Which mostly just finds her sad and ignores her.

Does anybody remember Stoya? She was another pornstar who tried to do the “not like the other grills” schtick, but I don’t think it worked.

Yeah, haven't heard much from/about her in quite a while, but damn, did she try.

Then again, I really don't keep tabs on Aella either, so it's very possible that the amount of "stuff happening in life" is probably roughly equal for Stoya as for Aella.

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