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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 13, 2025

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My greatest insight from reading the article is that my wife is incredibly lucky I am not a charismatic and sociopathic creative, because my gut reaction to Gaiman's escapades was not revulsion, it was envy.

Having a nanny lick shit and blood off your dick or piss off of your hand while your 5 year old is in the room or eat vomit?

Pavlovich says. Gaiman pushed down her pants and began to beat her with his belt. He then attempted to initiate anal sex without lubrication. “I screamed ‘no,’” Pavlovich says. ... She continued to scream until Gaiman was finished. When it was over, he called her “slave” and ordered her to “clean him up.” She protested that it wasn’t hygienic. “He said, ‘Are you defying your master?’” she recalls. “I had to lick my own shit.”

I get he liked sharing younger women with his wife. They both liked fucking 20 year olds and I won't pretend to be shocked. But the degradation and torment of these women including in front of a young child is vile. The boy was confused and thought she was supposed to be referred to as "slave".

Apparently his wife also cheats on him, are you envious of that too?

That's not something the article spent much time on.

My reaction has me wondering if my (heterosexual male) sexual desires are unusual in their, uh, vanilla-ness. I remember briefly stumbling into the fanfic community long ago and realizing that the tags were helpful because anything beyond "MF" was probably not for me. Which isn't even a comment on volume, just that the entire "kink" scene is a pretty instant turn-off for me, and honestly fulfilling monogamy sounds great to me.

Uh, you know fan fiction writers are mostly teenaged girls, right? Like I get the default assumption to deranged sex stuff is ‘a man wrote that’, but…

Fair, I suppose. But the same comment could easily be applied to the vast majority of the content on your average porn site too: most of the content is IMO off-putting, although I won't deny some degree of prurient interest in the most vanilla parts.

Is it when you account for relevance?

I have no interest in visiting a pornsite. But my guess is that the default recommendations are 'teen' or otherwise "appealing to normal heterosexual males" content, and pageviews are mostly on those videos. Weirdos producing a lot more content seems like a general rule and if 90% of customers(say) prefer 'My neighbor's BLONDE daughter HAS A SECRET' or something equally generic the other ten percent will produce more videos just to account for variety.

I've read some survey that showed that women were on average kinkier than men. Memes about headpats and handholding are there for a reason.

FWIW I personally doubt having any amount of adoring fangirls would make me want to force them to drink my piss.

If you were as charming, rich and charismatic a sociopath as Gaiman, your wife would be finding girls for you to do the sick stuff with so she didn't have to. About half the girls in the article were procured by Palmer.

not revulsion, it was envy.

Although I've been married and monogamous for twenty years it was not always so. I now mostly regret most of the degeneracy and excess young libertine AvocadoPanic was mired in for a decade. I wasn't cut out for it.

You’re saying the average man wants a woman to lick her own shit off his dick after anal, eat her own vomit after oral, fuck his mistress in front of his 5 year old son? Go ahead, disappoint me.

Maybe—or maybe not—those three acts in particular (especially the last), but it’s fairly common that men enjoy attractive women doing gross, degrading acts for them and fairly common that women enjoy doing gross, degrading acts for men they find attractive. And the more attractive she finds the man at the time, the grosser and more degrading the acts a woman is eager and willing to do.

For example, in my experience, the probability that a chick is down to do ATM for you given that you're already fucking her in the ass is pretty high, possibly verging on 1. That is, P(ATM | Anal) > 1 – epsilon >> 0. If you pull your cock out from her ass and wave it in front of her face, in the heat of the moment she’ll just start sucking it as if you just pulled it out of her puss. And sometimes it’s not Just the Smellz, so sometimes she’ll be eating a little bit of her own shit. I can’t recall a girl ever having actually refused ATM: when ATM didn’t occur after anal, it was when I was young(er) and still under the impression that there was no way an otherwise wholesome-seeming girl would do ATM, so didn’t attempt it. Oh, to be young(er) and naive again.

While perhaps less gross than vomit or shit, if not within the context of sex acts, women would likely find the taste and texture of semen, puss juice, or bile to be off-putting, to say the least. Yet facials, cum-in-mouth, puss-to-mouth, and sloppy deepthroats are pretty common nowadays, and many women rather enjoy them in the heat of the moment. It’s merely a difference of social acceptability and degree of grossness, not kind.

I didn’t feel like reading about Gaiman’s exploits (again), but among those three acts per se, the only despicable one I find is the fucking in front of his son. If a chick is down to eat her own shit off a guy’s cock, or eat her own vomit for his viewing pleasure if he’s into that, bon appetit for her and Slay, King for him. I wtf and turtle-up at the thought of fucking in front of one’s own child.

I wtf and turtle-up at the thought of fucking in front of one’s own child.

Which is interesting!

While it's obviously taboo today (and for good reason in my mind), that's probably the one most present historically since large families and a lack of space meant that parents had to make do with little boundary from their kids.

Oh, come on; generalize a little. He obviously means that the average man wishes he had an endless parade of young women eager to have sex with him and willing to do whatever gross, perverted kink he had. Which, you know, is obviously true.

Where have I said that?

edit: what @Blueberry said, the dark corners of my psyche are my own

You said you were envious of Gaiman, who allegedly did all of these things. It seems a reasonable inference.

I do not consider myself average at all.

I don't know what that has to do with my comment.

The accusation was “You’re saying the average man wants …” to which orthoxerox clarifies now to you, that he never tried to speak for the average man, but only for himself.

Ah.

I had that thought too. I think a lot of us just don't have to think about these things very much, because we don't live a life where young attractive women are constantly throwing themselves at us. For most guys "sexual ethics" are pretty simple- you go to your wife/girlfriend/LTR and see if she's in the mood. I don't know what I would do if I was living the celebrity life. I imagine that must be one hell of an intoxicating experience, and this guy has been living it for decades.

It's not just pure hedonistic pleasure, it's picking up something delicate and intricate and vulnerable and trampling it under your foot, forcing it to turn itself inside out because you want it to, denying it its existence without your permission. Living the life of Judge Holden, if you will.

If you don't, some other high-status male will, so you might as well take what you can get. None of these girls were going to remain virgins until marriage. Like unto a communal plate of French fries; such is the tragedy of the commons.

To solve the problem, need to privatize the commons.

That analogy falls down when you equate the 'commons' to someone with feelings.

Hey if you're rich old and famous, why not be a horrible lech? Social capital is just another currency you can't take to the grave with you, may as well spend it on something fun.

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