Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
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Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
14d ago
Blacks already resent whites. If blacks insist on equality of result as a condition for ending their resentment, they (and white people) are just going to have to deal with the resentment.
They have not, and will not, simply "just deal with the resentment", as evidenced by all of American race relations since Reconstruction.
Widespread acceptance of HBD among whites is unlikely to lead to genocide of blacks, and certainly not of East Asians.
You're right writ. East Asians, hence my qualifier "in varying degrees". But towards other non-whites, and especially towards blacks, the argument put forth by Teddy Roosevelt (and in my linked comment above) is simply correct, and by extension blacks are correct in doing everything in their power to hold back the day when acceptance of HBD reaches critical mass among whites.
"Whether the whites won the land by treaty, by armed conquest, or, as was actually the case, by a mixture of both, mattered comparatively little so long as the land was won. It was all-important that it should be won, for the benefit of civilization and in the interests of mankind. It is indeed a warped, perverse, and silly morality which would forbid a course of conquest that has turned whole continents into the seats of mighty and flourishing civilized nations. [...] it is of incalculable importance that America, Australia, and Siberia should pass out of the hands of their red, black, and yellow aboriginal owners, and become the heritage of the dominant world races."
- Theodore Roosevelt, The Winning Of The West
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
14d ago
In fairness, I admit that the exact phrasing of "treated as a slave race" is too extreme. Still, any real measures to address black dysfunction would necessarily entail the solidification of disproportionate outcomes between whites and blacks, which would inevitably fuel the resentment towards whites that has burned in the heart of the black man since 1619.
but I believe the HBD types believe that blacks actually make terrible slaves.
Aww, you ruined the surprise - I was building up to that. But yes, the widespread acceptance of HBD among whites is an existential threat to blacks, and in varying degrees to all non-whites.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
14d ago
The logic presented in his comment also justifies the mass disenfranchisement of blacks
It might, or it might not, depending on many other factors.
Any other factors in question are contingent on the truth of HBD, which I assume you and I are in agreement on.
"Implicitly" means a completely different thing than "explicitly", and your argument is nowhere near as strong if you meant the former. Reacting aggressively before determining what he said was true, is actually giving more strength to that argument than he did.
RandomRanger's argument is sound, I don't dispute that. Before I elaborate further, I'd like to know: what do you think my argument is?
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
14d ago
Yes, it is good - for Whites. I do not dispute the facts of HBD, I simply note that the interests of the White man and the Black man are fundamentally at odds. I hope dearly it is not so, but this is the only conclusion I can draw.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
15d ago
Arguing over semantics does you no good. The logic presented in his comment also justifies the mass disenfranchisement of blacks ("as to minimize their deleterious effects on national politics"), their segregation from whites in public spaces ("to spare whites from their criminality"), and the banning of interracial relationships ("to not pollute the white gene pool"), just as any Southerner would understand how to keep the blacks in their place.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
15d ago
On the books, its possible, in practice DEI actually held back far more people with potential.
The harm from Jim Crow was largely not from the suppression of Black talent, but in the message it sent to the Black man - that even after he was freed, he was still the White man's strict social inferior.
We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God given rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we still creep at horse and buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your black brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six year old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five year old son who is asking: "Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "nigger," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"-- then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait.
- Martin Luther King Jr., Letter From A Birmingham Jail
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
15d ago
Did you read the second linked comment? He pretty explicitly advocates for the barring of blacks from public office.
Consider a thought experiment - what if all the politicians and powerful officials in America had to be black? Give it 20 years for the effects to settle. What do you expect the outcome would be in terms of performance? Would it look more like a high performance country (Japan, Switzerland) or a low performance country like South Africa? [...] Now consider the reverse. All the politicians and powerful officials in America have to be non-black. Give it 20 years. Would the outcome be better than the alternate? Is the US really losing much by banning them from office? All that would happen is some rioting, which can be quickly and easily put down with a little effort.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
15d ago
Therefore actually being friendly with White people may in some way be the best option for you. Even if that may hurt your ego.
As I explained earlier, the humiliation is the grievance. Blacks don't have to be enslaved to be treated as a slave race, which is the necessary conclusion of HBD-inspired right-wing thought.
There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating.
- Jesse Jackson (emphasis added)
Really, this is what the entire edifice of anti-racism boils down to. Living in a white society is a daily humiliation ritual for any non-white person (east asians mostly excluded) with even a moderate sense of racial identity, especially blacks. The psychological harm from Noticing all the ways in which your people don't stack up is real1, and insofar as you place the combined moral value of non-whites above that of whites, it is in fact immoral to perpetuate the behaviors/institutions that cause such unfavorable comparisons. Hence, Woke.
1 N.B: This is why the popularization of HBD ideas will simply never happen in any non-racially exclusionary society. With the context of HBD, the message from conservatives to blacks (and other underperforming minorites) goes from "your community has serious problems, but with some elbow grease you might just be able to fix them" to "your dysfunction is congenital, your people are fundamentally lesser, and there's no way of fixing it without either Deus Ex Machina technology or centuries of strict and likely externally-imposed breeding control.2"
2 The unspoken third (and IMO most likely) scenario is that whites simply don't bother with any kind of uplift and instead resume the course of history that was set in motion in 1492 and put on pause circa the mid 20th century, as described by Teddy Roosevelt:
"Whether the whites won the land by treaty, by armed conquest, or, as was actually the case, by a mixture of both, mattered comparatively little so long as the land was won. It was all-important that it should be won, for the benefit of civilization and in the interests of mankind. It is indeed a warped, perverse, and silly morality which would forbid a course of conquest that has turned whole continents into the seats of mighty and flourishing civilized nations. [...] it is of incalculable importance that America, Australia, and Siberia should pass out of the hands of their red, black, and yellow aboriginal owners, and become the heritage of the dominant world races."
- Theodore Roosevelt, The Winning Of The West
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
1mo ago
Interestingly, acknowledging this will regularly get you dismissed as a male supremacist, on the logic that of course the virtues/achievements I call "male" here are actually just general virtues/achievements, and implying that women might be less good or even just merely care less about them is akin to claiming that women are lesser.
...yes, this seems simply correct to me; virtue is a primarily masculine phenomenon (after all, see the etymology). I notice how whenever the comparison between masculine and feminine values are drawn, here and elsewhere, the connection between feminine group behavior (generally, consensus-driven with covert competition) and success in feminine fields is left vague, while the connection between masculine group behavior (generally, hierarchical and camaraderie-driven) and success in masculine fields is obvious. I find it much more likely that many/most aspects of feminine psychology are side effects of domestication and/or adaptations to being the more vulnerable sex, rather than those things being evolutionarily selected for to enhance their fitness in their role.
Even with that notwithstanding, it's also pretty obvious to me that achievements in the masculine realm are simply more valuable than achievements in the feminine realm, at least in a modern economy. Having children definitely gives a sense of personal purpose and satisfaction, and the sentimental value of care work is not to be discounted, but the woman who is an exclusive homemaker is almost never regarded as highly as her husband so long as his work is more complex than semi-skilled labor, and for good reason; feminism was inevitable once the middle class became modal.
Now, what separates my perspective from @TitaniumButterfly et al. is that I believe that this is no excuse for "angel of the house"-style social norms. While some degree of patriarchal norms may be necessary for reasons of hypergamy/biological limitations, I see the development/expression of such virtues as strength, competence, and reason in women as a near unambiguous good, and the exercise of these traits in the public sphere as necessary in modern societies. Not necessarily for reasons of "independence" qua independence, but because they make the woman who develops them a better wife, mother, and person.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
1mo ago
Sure, but enslaved Jamaicans and modern African-Americans definitely do not just want "a little noblesse oblige". I don't know how much medieval peasants resented their social superiors, but it had to have been orders of magnitude less than black resentment towards whites.
Those peasants still would have considered themselves as "on the same team" as their nobility, with interlinked interests and fortunes. Empirically, it is much harder to extend that sentiment across racial lines, especially with as stark a difference as that between Europeans and Africans and doubly so when the labor of the underclass isn't required for the persistence of the upperclass.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
1mo ago
Look at tests like "how many R's are in strawberry", which could be passed by even the stupidest human as long as he had enough intelligence to have learned the alphabet.
This is a bad example. The issue there was with the tokenizer, not the logical process - it's an equivalent failure of cognition to "Paris in the the spring". I'm not refuting your argument per se, just that one point.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
2mo ago
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
2mo ago
I mean, considering how dependent the entire African continent is on western aid, particularly medicinal aid, the complete extension of "deworming" rounds off to TND. The left understands this, even if only implicitly.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
2mo ago
Actually, on comparison the Modern Warfare OSTs are more orchestral/cinematic than necessarily industrial, so not as quite as similar as I thought. Definitely still recommend them tho.
By the way, what didn't click with you about Isaac?
Hoo-rah indeed. I fuck with that shit heavy, it will make a fine addition to my collection. For more like it, I'd recommend the Modern Warfare reboot soundtracks by Sarah Schachner, MW2019 and MWII.
On the subject of tactical RPGs with banger soundtracks, I've been playing through Mewgenics and I'm absolutely loving it. It's a legacy rougelite from the guy who made The Binding of Isaac where you breed cats to send them out on D&D-esque adventures. I've reached the second act of the game with 30 hours of playtime, 20% completion, and a nice bloodline going courtesy of a rare moth-cat whose mutations I bred into my kitties.
My only reservation with wholeheartedly recommending the game is the style. It's entirely typical of Ed's work, which is to say that it's unreservedly channeling early 2000's Newgrounds aesthetics and humor. It's definitely a turn-off for some, but I like it. Just be aware that there's more animate poop and mutated fetuses in it than typically expected for a game in its genre.
With respect to the OST, my favorite tracks so far are Flush, Chumbucket Kitty, and Feline Invader (little spoilery); Flush especially goes way harder than a song about literal shit has any right to.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
2mo ago
I can get the appeal of sleep sex as an extension of a freeuse fetish (where the focus is on relieving oneself without the worry of mutual pleasure, essentially enhanced masturbation) but I'm baffled that you consider it a strict improvement. Not being able to see the woman in pleasure is a considerable opportunity cost, even setting aside the lost potential of her active participation.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
2mo ago
Embrace war as a standard way of life. We [whites (presumably)] will fight perpetual wars, to make ourselves stronger. Some die off, but the rest become even stronger.
…this is TND with extra steps. I mean, you’re totally allowed to argue for the total dispossession of and presumed eventual extinction of the non-white/east asian peoples of the earth, but that is indeed the proximate outcome of such a Darwinian process.
That's not to say that a woman who's thin in a fit way isn't seen as attractive, straight guys really don't focus on the abdomen to the point where "fit" is meaningfully distinguished from "thin and untoned."
Huh. Surprised that it's so broad rather than just not T&A-priority, but would explain a bit.
Just my 2¢ as a straight guy, but I find moderate abdominal musculature quite attractive on women. It's not a primary feature for me, but I like how a firm tummy bridges the soft jiggly bits above and below. There's a risk of the torso becoming too boxy at a certain point, but I'm not sure how much of that effect is just anti-selection (women with great WHRs are probably less likely to get super into strength training).
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
3mo ago
I'd argue that what Rankine said was rude but not much more than that. It's on about the level of calling someone an "asshole" or a "retard".
I'm not sure how you don't see why the left might find the use of "faggot" objectionable in of itself. Obviously supporters of LGBTetc. would object to the use of homophobic slurs as a general-purpose insult, as it strengthens semantic associations between homosexuality and undesirability.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
3mo ago
they would never face the logical consequences of their actions
I mean, kinda? ICE is incidentally (and IMO, purposefully to an unknown but non-trivial degree) fulfilling the function of removing non-whites from the country, and you'll notice that almost all of the visible ICE obstructors are, ah, not the target demographic(s). Add on the pre-existing belief in white invincibility and they come to the (not wholly unjustified) conclusion that as White Saviors, they have the duty to save the helpless brown folx from the Evil Empire set on their destruction.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
3mo ago
The left has such open, naked hatred directed specifically at White men it just feels like self-preservation should kick in at some point and supersede the rest of your political preferences.
The hate directed from non-white leftists to their white patrons simply does not register as a threat, and this is because the left sees the white man as functionally invincible. On this point, they’re more correct than not: he is, as a matter of fact, very, very, powerful (more powerful than some on the right are willing to admit) and the gulf in capacity between himself and all non-asians makes their fear of him far more justified (on a group level) than his fear of them.
Nevertheless, he is not truly invincible. Individual whites can and have been harmed by racial reprisal, and the white man’s institutional power has been steadily eroded since the civil rights era, now being considerably weaker than it was before. Still, he rules the better part of the world (in more ways than one), and since the left sees that as fundamentally injust, there is plenty of work to do.
I just think of what’s good for civilization.
Specifically, White civilization. After all, I'm sure that you'd prefer to avoid total Chinese conquest, even if it would advance civilization in the abstract.
Really, the "enlightened spreaders of civilization" framing for global white dominance strikes me as thin cover for the standard ethnocentric motivations, or at least it's trivially reducible to them. Indeed, would it not be better for "civilization" if Somalia were to belong to the white man, so he may remake it in his image? What, then, should a Somali who recognizes this pattern do, to prevent his people going the way of the Amerindian?
"Whether the whites won the land by treaty, by armed conquest, or, as was actually the case, by a mixture of both, mattered comparatively little so long as the land was won. It was all-important that it should be won, for the benefit of civilization and in the interests of mankind. It is indeed a warped, perverse, and silly morality which would forbid a course of conquest that has turned whole continents into the seats of mighty and flourishing civilized nations. [...] it is of incalculable importance that America, Australia, and Siberia should pass out of the hands of their red, black, and yellow aboriginal owners, and become the heritage of the dominant world races."
- Theodore Roosevelt
No race scientist worth their calipers claims that environmental factors have absolutely no effect. IIRC, the consensus from twin studies is that intelligence is ~80% heritable, though also note that much of the remaining 20% is due to non-shared environmental effects which are likely near impossible to modify via environmental enrichment.
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