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I think Trump has always been a big outlier on gay issues. At least compared to mainstream Republicans.
He sold rainbow merchandise. He waived a rainbow flag. When asked about trans people using restrooms in Trump tower, he says he doesn't care where they go.
Trump is an irreligious life long New York Democrat with pre-NAFTA Democrat values.
It's not clear how much of it's Trump (and co's) doing, but it's worth noticing how different the current GOP platform is on internal culture war stuff than the 2016 one. There's still red meat, most overtly on trans stuff and school vouchers, but it's a very long cry from wanting Windsor overturned. And even the trans stuff is relatively restrained (if, imo, sometimes bad policy!) by the standards of a document that normally tends to be written by the hardest social cons
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He is Mr. Big in Sex and the City in his values. He’s a Nazi without the killing the Jews. A national socialist. I think he is on the path to a VAT in America to support social benefits. For that reason I don’t know if I like him. But national socialism is very popular with the voting base. Value wise he’s Mr. Big with a much bigger personality.
You keep using that phrase. I…don’t think it means what you think it means.
Populism is not nazism.
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What exactly have Nazis done that Trump also has?
The Nazis were not, by the standards of their day, particularly hardline social conservatives. They wanted more heathy aryan children and didn’t care whether those children’s parents were married, and they wanted fewer of every other kind of child, and they took instrumental approaches to getting it done.
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Bro, that's like saying "he's water without being wet". The Holocaust is the biggest defining characteristic of Nazis by a lot.
I mean like, it's not. The jews and various leftoids want you to think that. But by far the germans didn't think of it that way. Most of the civilians were perfectly fine with a house, husband-and-wife-son-and-a-dog styled national socialism. The jews weren't the raison d'etre, they were just an obstacle to the real goal.
I mean, we do think of it that way now. During the regime, aiui Germans mostly tried pretty hard to not think about it at all.
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Ehhhh, Jew-hate was pretty central. It wasn't everything but it was a lot. It's underplaying it to say "they were just an obstacle to the real goal" when the real goal was racial supremacy.
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The virulent anti-semitism was a major and defining aspect of Nazism, true. But there were other significant and distinctive aspects of their ideology such that I think it can be meaningful to describe someone as Nazi-without-the-Jew-killing. I don't think that label describes Trump well though. For instance:
Trump has many flaws, but he ain't a Nazi.
Yes, I think the key distinguishing factor between Nazism specifically vs. nationalism or fascism generally is the belief in social Darwinism and eugenics at the volk-scale. They genuinely believed that a glorious future awaits, when the best and brightest and strongest dominate the world and mold it for the betterment of all. It's one reason so many killed themselves at the end: they had fully internalized that in losing, their inferiority was manifest, and so suicide was not just practical, but a moral duty to humanity.
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Trump is of course not a national socialist in his politics. He is insufficiently nationalist, insufficiently conservative and insufficiently socialist. His republicans pander to minorities without even directly naming white people to appeal to. His current manifestation probably isn't sufficiently nativist and natioanlist for moderate nationalism. His policies on economic sphere weren't even moderate politically and fit more with Koch agenda, even if he isn't as orthodox in his rhetoric as they would like.
The social democrats of Denmark who are a moderate nationalist party and quite more socialistic than Trump would also be defamatory to call them national socialists. There have been plenty of political parties that are moderate nationalist through modern history in european societies, where it used to be either the default or what people assumed these parties to be and there is definitely a significant qualitative difference between what I would categorize as moderate nationalism vs what I would consider extreme nationalism. And I tend to consider something to be moderate only if it is sufficiently hardcore to qualify at such. Moderate doesn't mean weak to me.
Even though we live in an age where anti european antinaivists who actually have an extreme agenda see all moderate nationalism for Europeans as extremist and try to associate it with nazism. In an age where moderate nationalism in favor of Europeans is under attack by a movement which is tolerant or supportive of quite stronger nationalism for other groups, hence their opposition to the national rights of their ethnic outgroup, and it is actually an extreme condition for a people to not have a collective community and breaking their roots from the past. This isn't to say that everyone who does this understands the doublethink and the inconsistency, but it exists as part of the movement. You seem like a right winger of sorts so I don't understand your point.
Also, the dominant tradition outside of actual socialists combined some level of socialism with capitalism. The idea of a third way between socialism and capitalism, did not just originate with fascist types or nazis, who were more socialistic than most.
The libertarian meme I have seen about statists and collectivists and calling everything fascists is wildly propagandistic. There have been a lot of non fascists who (maybe even share some influence with each other) promoted such model. Post war occupied Germany for example followed such a model of trying to make a deal between capitalists and workers. This kind of thinking also attracted people who have might have been influenced by fascism, had some ideological crossover in regards to economics, but weren't fascists. Including people who were anti-parliamentarians and believing that a dictatorship was a better way to rule.
Both some level of socialism and nationalism has been quite widespread and it simply ahistorical to be calling it national socialism when that regime was more infamous about occupation of european countries which includes atrocities and imperialistic conquest. While they deserve some bad reputation, they are a beaten dead horse with exaggerated negative attention for propagandistic purposes. Like the trope of a a shit politician who sucks at ruling blaming everything on his predecessor, but much worse since this is an 80 years old defeated group. But an even bigger problem of such propaganda is bad unsuitable comparisons.
The Democrats are quite more socialist although also compromising with establishment capitalism. Trump's politics are not even of a social democrat moderate nationalist. He seems to be more on the hardcore big donor corporatism capitalism side. I doubt he would introduce a VAT. Nor is a VAT an example of someone being a socialist since a VAT exists in a huge amount of countries which aren't run by socialists. Although, of course you can oppose it as bad policy, or too socialistic.
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...with some sopps to American exceptionalism and being pro capital.
Which makes him "far right" relative to the managerial class of current year. But in truth he's a 90s-era centerist.
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