FeepingCreature
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FeepingCreature
4d ago
I mean as a transhumanist but also as a liberalist, tbh I'm all for this. People can do anything they want with their pronouns inside the bubble that they created, maintain and advertise. There is a case to be made for the corrosive influence of media fame, but I don't see the pronoun thing here. If you follow f1, I can only assume you know what they're about. At any rate, nobody forces you to be there, it's not a public space, and no benefit is even accrued from your presence so that you may be pushed into obligation.
I'd slightly rephrase the saying: As it harm none against their intent, without their knowledge, or out of coercion, do what you will. Intentionally and knowingly allowing yourself to be harmed should not bar others from action, and I assume this clarification was only left out of the law because the thought of people harming themselves intentionally as a moral argument was considered too absurd.
FeepingCreature
4d ago
I mean yes? We want regular ordinary global regulatory regimes as the great powers have been building for centuries.
There's this weird sense of "how dare you do this utterly unprecedented thing, this wish of limitless power is without peer" and when you look where it's pointed it's the most normal international tech control agreement imaginable.
I'm really not sure who this is expected to fool.
FeepingCreature
5d ago
Run a competent LLM like Qwen 3.6 with a useful harness on your own computer. It's something else seeing it and seeing the machine that's doing it as a physical thing.
FeepingCreature
5d ago
Yes? That's how treaties work? In a world with Iran and Russia, it's just transparently silly to say that "bomb the dangerous production plant" is somehow beyond any sort of boundary when countries have been doing it casually for decades.
FeepingCreature
12d ago
Why would complaints merit an investigation in the first place, is I think the question?
There are always complaints. For anything. When it's for something like environmental protection that stands in the way of new construction, people here tend to be upset when complaints trigger investigations!
You simply can't start investigations on the basis of complaints. People will generate complaints whenever anything happens they don't like, such as "the wrong person got elected" or "I had a slight headache yesterday." You need at least some sort of base evidence.
FeepingCreature
15d ago
I think this depends on whether you consider the melting pot a project that must be actively pursued and that is sensitive to "leftist project" policy decisions, or an unavoidable consequence of dense cohabitation and intergroup mobility that someone just happened to slap a laudatory label on
FeepingCreature
15d ago
I think it critically depends on whether you read "foreigners, aliens," as opening a list with three entries or whether "aliens" is a clarification of "foreigners", compare:
[...] persons born in the United States who are foreigners (aliens) who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States
I think the 'who' makes the three-element-list reading at least awkward. It's a very "spoken out loud" construction. I would expect "who are foreigners, or aliens, or who belong".
FeepingCreature
15d ago
Oh you're right! I mentally filled it in with a different argument I know, lol.
FeepingCreature
16d ago
The original argument was that if you are a man and you wake up as a woman and you are happy with the change
I think you misread that. The argument is the exact opposite: if you wake up (or imagine waking up) as a woman and feel dysphoria, you are now transgender. You can now tell that gender is real because you perceive that yours is wrong.
FeepingCreature
16d ago
But "I think I would be fine with Henry Cavill's body" is not a counterexample to "if you feel dysphoria in Henry Cavill's body, you are transgender" at all, so I'm confused. Maybe lay out the exact generalization you mean?
FeepingCreature
17d ago
A common argument is to ask the person you're arguing with, "If you woke up this morning and found you had been transformed into a stereotypical example of the opposite gender, how would you feel about that?" If you would prefer that to your current body, this means that you are transgender.
Hang on, how is this in contradiction? If you have a strong sense of gender perception, then the test works? If you don't have a strong sense of gender perception, it's unclear in what sense the concept of transgender even applies to you.
FeepingCreature
18d ago
Nobody in this thread is saying it's universally true though. In fact lots of people, me included in the comment you're replying to, say that it isn't.
FeepingCreature
18d ago
I think this argument proves too much. If I woke up tomorrow morning and found that I had been transformed into a man who looked pretty much like Henry Cavil and was 25 years old, I would be pretty happy about the change.
I think the assumption here would be that there are people who would basically go crazy and try to tear their skin off every time they looked in a mirror and saw Henry Cavil. Like, the fact that you would be personally fine with it is not necessarily a generally true fact about how identity works.
(Sadly, we'll have to wait until the singularity to properly test this.)
FeepingCreature
18d ago
I mean, here's a simple model that's probably not true. (But maybe...?) Say there's a generic factor of "brain mutation rate". The higher it is, the more unusual things are going on with your brain. In such a world, one would expect most trans people to have other mental disorders, but one would not necessarily expect the trans part of a trans person brain with mental disorders to look different from the trans person brain without mental disorders, because the common cause is high mutation load causing both ("real") trans and mental disorders.
I think you're operating on a mental model where mental disorders cause people to present as trans, but I just don't see why this would necessarily or even plausibly be the case.
FeepingCreature
6mo ago
I understand where you are coming from but to be frank I see this doctrine as an aberration. The fact of the matter - to me - is that you simply cannot run a prosperous and well-ordered society when any random person feels entitled to sabotage it every time that they personally feel it is important enough
To be honest, yeah I don't see how you can run a democratic, free society where people aren't entitled to sabotage it when they feel it's important enough. That's a core mechanism of how societies remain free; the state being afraid of the populace!
A free state has to keep nearly everyone baseline content nearly all the time. I think that's genuinely the whole reason why it's better to live in one than an autocracy.
FeepingCreature
6mo ago
why would that be schizophrenic? you have to only believe that you are atypical.
FeepingCreature
7mo ago
Country music
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CORANvT8l9A "Got a beer in my beer, and a chevy in my truck..."
FeepingCreature
7mo ago
In one of The Last Psychiatrist (hereafter Edward Teach)'s articles, as an exercise, he challenged the reader to describe themselves without using the word "am".
Should be noted that this actually goes back to Korzybski: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime
FeepingCreature
7mo ago
It's not like they're not allowed to do it in some objective way, but substituting "Europe" with "Russia" isn't actually a good argument unless you're trying to argue that America no longer differentiates between Europe and Russia. There are things you're allowed to do with enemies that you're kinda not supposed to do with allies.
FeepingCreature
8mo ago
I think it's easy to theorize an asymmetry here, where if things have gotten worse you wax lyrically about the glorious past (in writing), whereas when things get better you don't dwell on the past much at all, thus creating a bias towards accounts of worsening in the historic record that can easily coexist with the present being much better than the past. In this model, the reports of worsening could well have been completely accurate.
FeepingCreature
8mo ago
I understand how it looks, but I can confirm I got served the same post on twitter and I'm definitely not a nazi or in nazi circles. It's just a good test for historic censorship.
FeepingCreature
8mo ago
Huh. Sounds like the rise of LLMs should disproportionally benefit women. It turns coding from grind into review/discussion and it strongly benefits local development.
FeepingCreature
8mo ago
This matches my experience- LLMs move the programming workload from writing to reviewing/mentoring.
FeepingCreature
9mo ago
So we're at "Neutral vs Progressive"?
To be honest, if I had a body a bit (a lot) more suited to this, I might be into it myself, lol. It's incredibly unclear to me to what extent this is an existing impulse being revealed by new affordances or something being carved by a hyperstimulating media landscape. It's also possible to me that the vast majority of human culture is already something that was carved by the vast forces of yesteryear. So I don't know. But at the end of the day, I'm libertarian enough that I'll come down on the side of "state funded trans healthcare should be rare and gated and proven by unbiased studies or not available at all; and estrogen, puberty blockers and appearance surgeries should be regulated, reviewed, generic, and over the counter." Every generation has something they are silly about to the point of harm. It's still not gonna be as bad as cigarettes or opiates.
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