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ToZanarkand
Some day the dream will end
2m ago
I feel like the entire rest of society, particularly the woke end has decided that the rape of women is a small price to pay for feeling progressive about letting transgender women into women’s spaces — without vetting at all.
I think what's more accurate is that they've convinced themselves that it simply "doesn't happen", or that "no one transitions just so they can use women's bathrooms".
SteveKirk
3m ago
Can you confirm she's actually moving? That's the first suspicion I'd have.
Stellula
3m ago
Look I'm not trying to get into an argument about some guy's fake tits here, and I don't really care to keep googling photos of it. If you think that estrogen makes somebody look like that then I guess we just disagree.
... weirdly ... this seems relevant for your point.
Why would this seem "weirdly" relevant to my point?
dovetailing
4m ago
I'm not sure we have "evolved as a species" to see women as morally superior. Plenty of societies in antiquity (and even more recently than that) treated women as basically defective (morally, intellectually, and physically) men whose sole redeeming quality was babymaking. Even when Christianity (with a much more egalitarian attitude, at least on the "morally" front) became widespread, it took a long time to purge those ideas from the zeitgeist, to the point that you can find them even in some early Christian writers.
MartianNight
4m ago
"Can people who have official government documents that document them as women, involve non-consenting members of the public in their use of spaces for women?" To which the obvious answer is: yes.
My answer is no.
Males do not belong in women's spaces.
Whether those males identify as transgender is irrelevant, because my view is based on sex, not gender identity.
Whether those males have government-issued certificates recognizing their gender identity is also irrelevant, because my view is based on sex, not gender identity.
The only way government records could be relevant if they accurately record a person's sex, but governments of all developed countries have decided to stop doing that.
Just like my driver's license is valid whether you think I should have one or not.
Your government-issued driver's license mostly prevents that same government from putting you in jail for driving a car on the public road. Nobody else is compelled to accept it as proof that you are a competent driver.
In practice, driver's licenses are widely accepted as evidence of baseline driving competence, but that's because the government requires you to prove it before issuing your license. If anyone could get a license simply by self-declaration, even contradicting a professional's judgement, then the value of that license to determine driving ability would plummet.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
6m ago
They’re about as practical as replacements after a mastectomy, augments on a post-menopause trophy wife, or whatever the hell Rudy Giuliani was doing. Which is to say, not very.
Not everything impractical is a fetish.
Jiro
7m ago
You can see a distribution of some that pass better than others, and notice that it tails off towards the end of the distribution so the amount that completely pass is small.
ToZanarkand
Some day the dream will end
8m ago
but second, that's their problem, not mine.
In all fairness, taking steps to mitigate the externalities of your actions is a pretty core component of being generally pro-social.
Bleep
10m ago
The US used to be like this, but it changed at some point during post-WW2 America. Communal showers and pools were common. When I was young (90s and 00s), we still used communal showers, but it was a dying practice. I realized in college it was a dead practice in most other parts of the US.
My great grandpa would tell me about swimming naked with other men/boys at the YMCA in the 1920s. I'm not sure why it changed in the US, but there are a bunch of "coming of age" movies made in the 70s and 80s with teens becoming adults who have anxiety about the dreaded communal showers in high schools.
desolation
Eat At JR's Donut Castle!
10m ago
You seem to be coming from a liberal position where there are valid trans people and some number of bad actors that overlap. That line from OP strongly suggests they are not, so your simile doesn't work across that gap of understanding.
Jiro
11m ago
The secrets to enjoyment:
That's like saying that you don't care about people in church saying that the Jews eat babies, because as a Jew you don't go to church anyway.
Social media power is a problem because it can affect things that happen off of social media.
Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
13m ago
I’m not aware of any studies on it, but my experience is that every single time somebody tells me about a “passing” transwoman, I end up seeing the person and it’s obviously a man. Sure, it’s true in a sort of unfalsifiable way that there could be all of these undetectable transwomen walking around among us, but at that point you’ve reached a sort of Russell’s Teapot, “invisible dragon in the garage” level of claim.
Why is this such an issue?
Exactly, it's such non-issue you won't mind it going either way.
But of course you do mind it going one way which you frame by claiming it's about "caring" at all, except you do care also.
ToZanarkand
Some day the dream will end
15m ago
She broke rank with the squad on Israel right before the campus protests turned ugly.
Wait, she did?
dovetailing
15m ago
You... may be an outlier. (Not disagreeing that it's good to keep men out of women's bathrooms, even with stalls, though.)
ToZanarkand
Some day the dream will end
18m ago
It’s nearly always spectacularly easy to “clock” an MtF - especially once you hear the voice.
Are there studies on this or is this anecdotal? If the latter, you wouldn't be able to account for the MtFs you're missing precisely because they do pass.
Throwaway05
19m ago
If you are okay with putting a bullet in the head of anyone who uses medical care without expert opinion in any way that causes a societal cost then sure.
But we don't do that.
If you become disabled, or end up on dialysis, or increase the risk of a multi drug resistant organism other people subsidize you.
The cost with which we subsidize you is immense. Hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars per person. Society cannot afford to pay that more than necessary, and ethics prevent us from euthanizing people for their ineptitude.
Paternalism is good to some extent it's why we have building codes and financial regulations and you know....laws. Where you draw the line is a point of discussion but drug libertarians don't know anything about medicine and have zero idea what they don't know.
dovetailing
19m ago
Do you know that McBride wears fake breasts vs. being on estrogen (which produces natural breast growth; yes, even in biological males)? I couldn't discover either way from a quick search, and ... weirdly ... this seems relevant for your point.
ToZanarkand
Some day the dream will end
23m ago
I think the hate of Elon is definitely fresher than that of Trump. I'm not sure it's necessarily greater in intensity.
Stellula
32m ago
I believe this is the article I was trying to find. I found it by appending "themotte" to my query, since it was discussed here quite a bit.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html
AnonymousActuary
36m ago
any D appointee would have, maybe, but he was the one who actually had.
SubstantialFrivolity
I'm not even supposed to be here today
42m ago
it's purpose is to be a new home for people who are upset that moderates and conservatives are being given a voice, any early adoption is going to be centered around that.
Ditto for Mastodon. It is an absolute cesspool because it's primarily used by people who couldn't stand the idea that Elon might not let them bully people with politics they didn't like (and this was before he bought Twitter no less). It is exactly as bad as you might expect based on that.
hydroacetylene
43m ago
I think a few of them have been revealed to be EMTALA violations on the part of the hospital but I’m not sure.
Did it hit?
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