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weird sexual practices aren't a defining trait of their culture
I disagree, on "see what you can't critique" grounds. Complaining about the weird sexual practices generates more outrage and more circling of the wagons than critiquing mosquito nets. Everything else is thought experiments; this is personal. Ergo, it is a defining trait.
higher intelligence is associated with a better understanding of nuance and open mindedness
My favorite example is Kary Mullis, who invented PCR. Absolute genius. Also believe tons of completely batshit things.
The genius is also way better at self regulation and has less need for strict community based rules to apply to them, hence they can engage in stuff like polyamorism/drugs/etc other hedonistic activities with less risk
And thus they have absolutely no business trying to convince other people what they should do with their lives, or be trying to set the morality of the light cone, etc etc, because it will be a disaster.
Elite human capital is pretty much always liberal
Imagine citing Dicky Banania and thinking that's going to convince anyone.
it doesn't change that most opposition in the group is from the low IQ reason of "ew that's gross" or "my fantasy religion book said that's bad"
Funny, most of the support is equally poorly reasoned.
The less charitable explanation is that the Bay Area has become an ideological echo chamber, and that this is bad
Has been for ages. Zvi and Sarah Constantin were complaining about that a decade ago, and I would imagine it's only gotten worse. Zvi even called it "unbelievably, world-doomingly bad."
I think he was wrong about the extent to which The Community would lose The Mission, but right that The Community ate The Mission, and the echo chamber would get worse. AFAIK Zvi's still in New York area though, and it's been a long time since he's written about this particular angle of issue.
surely Scott would agree that for people in this space who live in the Bay Area, there is a catechism, right?
he might have once, but would he still recognize that now? Or consider it a bad thing?
The raw silicon mining isn't.
Yeah that was the most interesting thing reported after Hurricane Helene; supposedly most ultra-high-quality quartz comes from one town.
No, we can't just "pull the plug" if it's running our whole economy
that's why you stop now and nuke (metaphorically, probably, but i could be convinced otherwise) Silicon Valley and Seattle.
How about "X's thoughts on AI risk should be downgraded because they put [a certain set of sexual practices] above all reproach and thus [apocalyptic AI risk] rank less important to them than [continuing a certain set of sexual practices]."
Also depending on the exact nature of those sexual practices, it can be a pretty good argument for keeping them as far away from the levers of power as humanly possible. I think AI poses severe but not existential risks. Either way letting the EA/rat group set AI morality will be net-negative for the majority of humanity.
what part are you objecting to and what evidence will you accept
would you prefer the arrangement "apocalyptic cult that happens to put an incredible emphasis on certain kinds of sex, but that is not technically the focus of the cult"
North Carolina
That's a gimme. Pretty much no one would have a chance at beating Cooper.
I have been amused by the "Criminals for Coop" signs. Interesting that both sides have run almost entirely negative campaigns afaict.
fascinating! til
As far as I know Aella is just a normal prostitute/internet-celebrity who happens to also be interested in LessWrong stuff and do internet surveys.
She also runs Plzdontkillus, an experimental creator camp on AI risk hosted at Lighthaven (man, EAs/Rats have a bad track record with actually owning locations playing poorly for them), funded by MIRI (another Yud connection) and co-run with Ronnie Fernandez, ex-husband of Holly Elmore of Pause AI US (who went a bit crazy during/after the divorce and deeply hates Aella).
She's very interconnected with the Bay Arean EA/Rat community, and the long-termers of the community circle the wagons when she comes under scrutiny.
"Are you under the impression Eliezer is sleeping with Aella?"
I mean... Not really, but they'll make overtly sexual memes for donations, so it's easy to see how someone gets that idea.
Also the least-central person on that list, and not in the Bay Area.
"View you less" might be a little strong. "Consider you less open-minded and thus less trustworthy on certain dimensions" is more plausible, though I think very few would be explicit about that like John Wentworth was
Also I personally absolutely do upgrade my assessment of someone's AI alignment qualifications if I find out they go to RMN.
By now Brent is well-known as a sex pest, and while I unfortunately expect future abuser revelations, they seem less common.
Brent, and Worst Boyfriend Ever, edit: John Wenworth is on the outs though that seems to be more for writing than behavior /endedit, and how many others that are less famous and just kept on a member's-only list of missing stairs?
The EA leaders are parodying themselves by maintaining Caroline Ellison
Felons have fewer options so she can be paid less, ergo, more effective per dollar. Classic EA!
I think they've stopped associating with their people.
Isn't Scott still housemates with Kelsey, EA journalist extraordinaire?
But a liberal stance on sexuality (roughly "what consenting adults do in their bedrooms is their business")
That is a liberal stance on sexuality; it is not the predominant sexual stance of American liberals. Edit: to clarify, "consent" is a godforsaken shitshow and what people are allowed to do in their bedrooms depends heavily on the identity, age (gap), specific behaviors, whether the woman changes her mind weeks or months later, whether the behavior affects the treatment of other women (this here is why SlutCon and the CNC thing generated so much outrage, despite all being theoretically- ha- consenting adults), etc etc.
the top 1000 rationalists all had had sex with each other (gender attraction permitting).
I find it fascinating that everyone reaches for big numbers here, or say things like "the vast majority of EAs aren't (sexual weirdos)." 950 of the top 1000 don't matter, and that remaining 50 are all married, in poly relationships, work together, live together, hire each other or their family members' for each others' boards, etc.
Instead, I would assume that some of them are asexual, monogamous or even celibate.
Scott used to identify as asexual but he has two kids. I don't think it's accidental though that there likely is disproportionate numbers of asexual and poly.
Aella using her area of exertise to try to help on AI alignment
lol. lmao even. what a polite turn of phrase. you win.
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Nor do I think that the lifestyle choices of the center of LW matter much
"this group has insane and bad moral preferences" does not mesh well with "this group believes they are likely to be setting the morality of the light cone."
tb"f" i would assume that's the standard jewish view, and while yud isn't the most orthodox now iirc he was raised more Orthodox than 95+% of secular jews in this social orbit.
that is, of all the people i'd expect to wave that flag, this one should be suprising.
Being a polycule member who occasionally partakes in orgies is not mentioned as a problem, because the original target audience didn't really care.
Scott also thinks, or thought at some point back when we were still on reddit- 2018ish, maybe?- that other meaningful audiences wouldn't care.
It was one of my few direct interactions with him, after one of the many rounds of Poly Discourse in the community, where I suggested something along the lines of "if you want to influence public morality more broadly re: EA/AI, reducing the visibility of this will save you weirdness points with a lot of the public." His response- this is paraphrase is probably slightly more negative than the original, colored by time as it is- was something like "no, it's the people that suggest that are a worse expense of weirdness among populations we want to reach."
I think the demand for stories of male rapists outstrips the supply.
The demand for degenerate tales of upper-class white-passing male rapists where one can feed the Narrative about sexual assault at college outstrips supply.
Degenerate tales of poor rapists with poor victims are a dime a dozen but "woman gets wrecked with her dealer who then assaults her" isn't as fun for thinkpiece generators.
YMMV, I just want to make sure @FiveHourMarathon doesn't have expectations falsely raised and then shattered. ;-)
Haha definitely fair.
I was surprised by my ability to operate on very little sleep and short naps (even at 31) and I shouldn't overgeneralize from that!
Congratulations! The newborn stage was way more fun than I expected.
I have to admit that this is a pretty weird verse to cite. It's not particularly relevent to anything mentioned in the announcement
Thanks to Schindler's List, the edited version that doesn't specify Jews is possibly the most famous verse that isn't one of the commandments. Could just be part of him playing the media game and knowing what's popular.
UK diesel prices at all-time high, I'd imagine easy enough to fence if you're in the right communities.
the rootclaim debate and Scott Alexander pointed out, an accidental release just happening to point to the wet market is incredibly odd too.
The drunkard and the stoplight come to mind, (edit:) in addition to the other explanations others provided.
lack of proof doesn't matter
Any proof is filtered through a hostile state actor, so my real preference is that the whole debate is stupid, from all given knowledge it might as well be a coinflip, and it's much more concerning that all of Western media went anti-free-speech batshit (ha) over it.
If one very seriously believes that the world was attacked by an artificial bioweapon (even if unintentionally leaked)
There's also "non-engineered lab leak theory," that the place that actively collects coronaviruses and has had safety issues in the past accidentally leaked (another?) one. I find this much more plausible than the sheer volume of coincidences that require it to be wet market a few blocks away or the actively engineered version.
Wet market theory strikes me as motivated reasoning by people too smart for their own good.
This is a matter of major national security now, and the most anyone wants to do is shitpost about it?
well tbf for a few years talking about it would get you banned from most social media and possibly get you fired, getting the government to care now is no easier than it was then, AI has sucked all the doomer-energy up, etc.
Shitposting and buying a UVC light are a reasonable stopping point for fighting a massively uphill battle that most people just want to forget and ignore.
edit: the fight about the origin is largely nerd-sniping at this point, and it is interesting/depressing that more people haven't latched on to "the specific origin doesn't matter; GoF is dangerous and should be banned anyways."
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not as far as gemini can find evidence for.
Scott did, Altman has a surrogate cooking, and Aella's tweeted about how many eggs she has frozen and plans to have kids 'soon.'
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