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There is a related trend in pop music made by female Zoomers (or at least performed by them) wherein there’s this surprisingly huge corpus of songs about how bad guys are at sex and how women are better off pleasuring themselves. (I’m happy to provide multiple examples if people insist on it.) The tinfoil hat conspiracy theory is that these songs are being written by (((Them))) as intentional propaganda warfare to stoke division and mistrust between the sexes. Assuming that’s mostly or entirely untrue, though, it does reveal a very concerning element of young people’s consciousness.
And to be clear, I don’t think this began with Zoomers, although I think it’s gotten worse under them. Personally, I have a ton of neuroses about sex that I picked up as a result of being exposed to all of the (frankly, quite vindictive) complaints about men’s sexual performance by Millennial female comedians and cultural commentators. It makes it very hard to simply lose oneself in the moment sexually if one constantly has a voice in the back of the head saying, “What if she’s actually hating this right now? And she’s going to tell her friends or social media followers how bad it was later?” I don’t know how Zoomer men are supposed to function if this cultural norm is exacerbated further.
Four years ago, I was going out with this girl for a few weeks. It was a fairly casual relationship on both ends, and I was already considering breaking it off with her, as I was starting to notice some red flags not wholly dissimilar from certain of the ones that Mr. Greene in the OP would have been wiser to heed. One night we were at a party, we'd both taken ecstasy (although I don't believe we'd come up yet) and she abruptly asked me if I wanted to be her boyfriend. I did my best to let her down gently and told her that I didn't, but she became extremely upset and burst into tears. I tried to calm her down, but she was inconsolable and stormed off in a rage. Later that night she sent me a nasty message concluding with "I rated our sex 6/10 it's barely a pass."
I didn't rise to the bait - what could be gained from it? Obviously I didn't believe it was true (I mean, I would say that, wouldn't I): if I'm so crap in bed, why were you throwing yourself at me, why did you ask me to be your boyfriend? But even if it was true, the fact that she was bringing it up all of a sudden like this was such a transparently childish, spiteful thing to do that it immediately vindicated my decision not to pursue a serious committed relationship with her.
Frankly, I think this thing of "oh whatever, he was crap in bed anyway" is just the distaff counterpart to that thing where a guy asks a girl out via text, she turns him down, and he immediately replies "lol whatever bitch you ugly anyway". If she's ugly anyway, why did you ask her out, you dork? The sour grapes are particularly ripe at this time of year.
Yeah, the hoe maddening was indeed just sour grapes.
Her personal brand of Wonderfulness should be more than enough for any man to want to commit and give her Princess Treatment, so it must be @Folamh3 who’s the asshole for not recognising it, especially since he’s already smashed.
Male and female sexuality are supposed to be the same and evolutionary psychology is just a misogynistic redpill myth, yet women’s actions and reactions regularly reinforce the notion that, all else equal, casual sex is a W for the man and an L for the woman. You already banged her; you won, any ex post insults from her are just coping and seething.
On the bright side, at least she hasn’t retroactively accused you of rape. Plus, this is Bayesian reassurance that you’re reasonably well endowed, or else she would had called your dick small (more easily disproved to any potential third parties in text-screenshot court) instead of mid in bed (less easily disproved to any potential third parties in text-screenshot court).
It’s amusing—despite women supposedly being men’s equal in mental strength, emotional resilience, seriousness as adults—how normalised it is that young women will just have random crying fits and temper tantrums befitting a toddler. Not only is it normalised, they’re coddled for doing and enabled to do so.
If a girl bursts into tears in front of a guy at a party and storms off, he’s TA for having done something to upset her. If a guy bursts into tears in front of a girl at a party and storms off, he’s TA for being a psychopathic manchild who can’t control himself, psychologically (and likely physically) abusive.
You know I thought about tagging you in the post but I figured the content would summon you to the replies like the bat signal anyway
@Sloot, Gotham needs you.
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I'm flattered that you'd think of me (whoever you might be, as I don't recognize your username), but I'd be a suboptimal Person of Bat Involvement. I tend to comment relatively seldomly and belatedly (life, unfortunately, happens).
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Bro you've got me cracking up laughing in work.
I wasn't too concerned about it: no sexual partner (and I've had more than my fair share) has ever even suggested that I have a small penis. But still nice to know.
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It’s literally hormonal, men in middle age who have low t often get weepy before being prescribed hormones, so do mtf after being on them. I would reserve judgment until you get old and experience it for yourself.
There are anecdotes about middle-aged or older low-T men being supposedly somewhat weepier than they were in their youth as their testosterone decreases, but there's also the stereotype of men being increasingly stoic as they get older.
To the extent such anecdotes about middle-aged or older men are present with regard to the occasional weeping (if such weeping exists at all), they're nowhere to the frequency or severity of the recurring crying fits and temper tantrums of young women, even and/or especially by the own admission of young women.
You've but proposed a biological basis behind why young women shouldn't be taken seriously, although one that's not original.
When it comes to MtF, there's been at least one 4chan-adjacent copypasta to the tune of:
> some men declare they're actually women
> start acting like histrionic, childish retards obsessed with make-up and clothing
> what do they mean by this?
It does not appear to me the attestations of MtF would alleviate any alleged judgment cast upon young women. If anything, it'd be the opposite.
As you well know, mtf trains are far more likely to be obsessed with 4x strategy games and computer programming than they are with actually feminine interests.
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If you're claiming that random crying fits are caused by hormones, it just seems to me that you're just saying that the part at the beginning of that paragraph:
is actually not true, for a biological reason.
Maybe, but powerful men are disproportionately older and so more likely to have that same weepiness resulting from lower t.
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Listen, sonny, those heartstring-tugging commercials pack a wallop when you've dealt with the subject matter like serious illness, having a parent with dementia, etc. $REASONS. Kindly remove yourself from my lawn! Now if you'll excuse me, that cloud over there is asking for a piece of my mind...
Mumbles under his breath about how nickels used to be called bees
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Considering pop music is written by swedes, obviously not.
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Taylor Swift is neither Jewish nor a Zoomer, but you're correct: every single one of her songs is about exactly this. And she's been Top 40 for over a decade, so you turn on the radio (yeah, implying zoomers use radio, but this is true on random streaming sites) and you'll usually hear one within the hour.
Alternately: "cuntry music".
Which is kind of interesting, considering the traditional standard is that women are generally more embarrassed by bad sex than men, where men would be more likely than women to be extra proud of the fact it happened in the first place. But then again, this is the age of competitive simping (whether the above is correlated or causative, I couldn't say), so the fact the man couldn't satisfy the woman is the more salient point.
They throw literal bags of money at "woman who doesn't hate you"-as-a-service products. Unfortunately for real women, technology makes this easy to scale. And that's ignoring the AIs.
Pop country is more likely to be about finding happiness in a committed relationship regardless of the gender of the singer. That is a fully generalizable statement and does not need a baseline to compare to, btw.
‘Outlaw country’ and ‘red dirt’ music usually have a male singer who might be singing a breakup song, but never about bad sex, and is still more likely to be singing about a committed relationship(in this case usually explicitly marriage), although non-relationship topics are also more common than breakup songs.
I’m not sure what you’re exactly referring to here.
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This is not even a remotely accurate characterization of her lyrical content.
If you're tied up about it specifically needing to be about the sex act itself, sure.
That doesn't not make every Taylor Swift song the PG-rated version of that.
The specific claim was "men are bad at sex and women are better off pleasuring themselves", so that seems pretty constrained to the sex act itself. Broadening it to "general dissatisfaction with men" seems like goalpost-moving.
Yeah, I have no idea why that expectation would be related at all to the collective consciousness or male willingness to unironically commit to a woman considering most of the popular media is all about celebrating women doing literally this.
If sex and relationships had nothing to do with each other, maybe.
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No, she literally has a ton of songs that are not about break-ups, not about disappointment or angst about a former partner, etc. This idea that all of her songs are breakup songs is nothing but a meme, assisted by the fact that she’s, well, had a lot of breakups in her personal life. It’s not hard to look up her lyrics, though, and a large chunk of them are actually something close to the polar opposite of what you’re suggesting.
what you're naturally going to converge on if you turn on any random Spotify playlist. It's not so much a meme as it is what actually gets played; I have no problem admitting that not all country songs are some variation of the guy's wife/dog/truck leaving him, but it's most of what actually makes it onto the airwaves.
Huh? Literally some of her biggest hits are not breakup songs. “You Belong With Me”. “Mine”. “Love Story”. “Shake It Off”. “Delicate”. “Wildest Dreams”. “End Game”. “Lavender Haze”. “Fearless”. “Anti-Hero”. All of these are either very sincere love songs, or about something other than relationships entirely.
And considering your list contains literally every Taylor Swift song I know the name of, I for one have no fucking idea what Sin is talking about.
I'm pretty sure if you do a statistical analysis of the primary themes of Taylor Swift singles discography the majority are not breakup songs. But she has produced a huge amount of stuff that gets played on Hot 100 type radio/streaming, so it's easy to forget some. For example "I Knew You Were Trouble" and "All Too Well" are explicitly breakup songs about "bad" former lovers. They both got substantial air play and feature in the Eras Tour set-list. The set-list is a bit over three hours so the statement:
is probably true. Assuming the set list is representative of what gets played on a all Taylor all the time stream, and I have forgotten at least one of her breakup songs.
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