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FtttG
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6hr ago
And what about people who have a set of chromosomes other than XX or XY? What about people with mosaicism?
"What about these edge cases that don't describe >99% of the population?"
The existence of some weird edge cases doesn't mean that sex can't be trivially verified almost all of the time.
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6hr ago
Well, it is obvious and uncontroversial that sex is an objective fact which can be trivially verified and falsified, which "gender identity" is not. Hell, it can't even be defined in a non-circular manner, although countless people have tried.
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7hr ago
Trans people are demanding that they be allowed to use the toilets concordant with their gender, just like everyone else.
What about people like me, who insist we do not have a gender identity of any kind? Which toilet do we use?
Trans activists claim that the women's toilets are intended for anyone who has a woman's gender identity, and that bathroom bans are denying them access to a facility that female people are entitled to. People like me, by contrast, deny that women's toilets are intended for anyone who claims to have a female "gender identity", but are rather intended for individuals of the female sex.
"Gender identity" is an unfalsifiable concept, and basing public policy on unfalsifiable claims individuals make about their subjective inner experiences is a bad idea.
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7hr ago
So are you in favour of abolishing sex-segregation entirely?
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7hr ago
Yes, I think destroying the definition of the word "sex" is a bad thing. That does not imply that I think it's "the great political issue of our time". This is very tiresome.
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7hr ago
Ever hear the expression "an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure"? I would much rather perverts not expose themselves to innocent victims in the first place over them doing so and arresting them after the fact.
Your argument is an argument for abolishing sex-segregation:
If a particular man is a pervert, prosecute them. Don't throw all men, most of whom are not perverts, under the bus. If a man isn't deliberately drawing attention from other women in the locker room, he is doing nothing wrong.
If your young daughter was getting changed in a locker room and you saw a middle-aged man in a trenchcoat follow her in, would you be concerned? Or would you wait until after he'd interfered with her before trying to have him arrested?
They're banning trans people completely from using toilets or doing other sex-segregated activities.
I did read the entire sentence and, again, no they're not. Trans people are not forbidden from using toilets. No conservative politician is demanding that trans people be denied access to toilets of any kind. No conservative politician is demanding that trans people be forced to shit on the street. Conservative politicians are demanding that trans people use the toilets concordant with their sex, just like everyone else. You might disagree with this policy, but lying about what it entails helps no one.
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7hr ago
"Destruction" and "demolition" are very strong words.
True, but my asserting that trans activists are trying to destroy or demolish the meaning of the word "sex" doesn't imply that this is the most important issue in the world, any more than "a construction company demolished a building in my neighbourhood" implies that there's anything especially important about said building.
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7hr ago
And this is true of laws in general. There are probably people who can drive safely with a blood alcohol level of [two percentage points over whatever the legal limit is in your jurisdiction], and people who can't drive safely after imbibing so much as a thimbleful of sherry. But in order to enforce laws effectively we need to set cutoff points somewhere.
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8hr ago
Weight is still at 171, no progress on the weight loss front.
Do you need to lose any weight? How tall are you, if you don't mind my asking?
Do you campaign against euphemisms in general or is it this one specific pair of euphemisms that you consider the great political issue of our time?
I really hate this specific breed of whataboutism that so many trans activists practise, when literally any criticism of any component of the trans activist agenda is met with derisive accusations that their interlocutor thinks this issue is the most important issue facing the entire planet!!!!1!
Where, exactly, did I say that the demand that the words "male" and "female" be substituted with "AMAB" and "AFAB" is "the great political issue of our time"? Why do you insist on repeatedly putting words in my mouth and attributing things to me I never said, beliefs I never endorsed?
We have people here claiming she is a man.
"People here" including Khelif themself.
Would you not agree that, in her case, "assigned" rather than "observed" is the correct term to use?
Yes, "assigned" is the appropriate phrasing to use in the specific case of people with disorders of sexual development. Trans activists, however, want to use the "assigned at birth" phrasing for everyone, including the 99% of people who were born without DSDs. I was not "assigned" the male sex at birth: the doctor who delivered me correctly identified my sex as male.
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9hr ago
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9hr ago
What a fascinating twist on that one scene from A Beautiful Mind.
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9hr ago
Well this is basically my stance. If trans is just a weird progressive sect (a modern skoptsy), whose sacraments are puberty blockers and HRT and whose initiation rituals are top and bottom surgery, that would be one thing.
But that means dropping the pretense that these things are anything other than sacraments and initiation rituals. When a surgeon conducts a circumcision on a man suffering from phimosis, that is a necessary medical intervention. But when a rabbi or imam circumcises a male infant, no one claims that this procedure is being conducted out of medical necessity, and so should it be here. That means:
- no more taking children into care if their parents don't want them to receive these interventions (because they don't share their children's faith);
- no more once-respectable medical bodies making affirmative claims as to these interventions' efficacy in treating mental distress;
- no more emotionally manipulative browbeating from ideologically captured physicians ("would you rather have a live daughter or a dead son?");
- no more having these interventions covered by health insurance as medically necessary interventions (if they're covered as elective interventions, I suppose that's okay);
- no more presenting these interventions as medical treatment in public education (separation of church and state).
It also means that, just as the children of Jehovah's Witnesses can be taken into care if their life is in jeopardy as a consequence of their parents' religious beliefs (at least in some jurisdictions; apparently not Idaho), the state can take trans children into care if their welfare is in serious jeopardy as a consequence of their parents' beliefs.
I genuinely believe a huge proportion of children in the Anglosphere who have received these interventions over the past twenty years would not have done so if their status as sacraments and initiation rituals had been more clearly communicated to their parents. I think "HRT, elective mastectomies, vaginoplasties etc. are still available for true believers who really want them – but no medical organisation is claiming they are medically necessary interventions, and caveat emptor if you decide to pay for them out of pocket" is a compromise that would suit most people. I imagine a lot of medical bodies might eventually hit on this solution via convergent evolution if the pace of detransitioner lawsuits keeps up. A recurrent complaint in said lawsuits is that patients and their parents felt their physicians had knowingly misled them about the efficacy or medical necessity of these interventions. It'll be much harder to win a malpractice suit if the defendant can prove that they offered the patient these interventions, but made perfectly clear to them that these are elective procedures and made absolutely no affirmative claims as to their efficacy in ameliorating mental distress.
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11hr ago
I agree with much of your comment, although I question your dismissal of slippery slope arguments as intrinsically fallacious.
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12hr ago
As for the sequel's main character -- look, I grew up on early chan imageboards and the unfiltered early 2000s internet so I have a pretty high tolerance and probably a quite warped sense of what's within the bounds of good taste -- but even in my opinion, that's a 7 year old's face on a young woman's body.
Echoing what @RenOS said below – between the ages of 26-27 I was in a relationship with a Chinese woman who was a year younger than me. Whenever she went to buy beer in a shop, she was asked to show her ID, literally every single time. (The fact that she was five feet tall certainly didn't help.) The median East Asian woman legitimately looks significantly more childlike than the median white, Hispanic or black woman.
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13hr ago
New Year's resolution check-in:
- Went to the gym three times last week and again yesterday evening. Can deadlift 1.84x my bodyweight for 3 reps, squat 1.28x for 6 reps and bench press .87x for 6 reps.
- Have not consumed any pornography since waking up on January 1st.
How goes it @self_made_human, @thejdizzler, @birb_cromble, @ThomasdelVasto and @falling-star?
FtttG
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15hr ago
I second this. The "mama bear" phenomenon is absolutely real, but I'm not sure if the average woman is quite as willing to put herself in harm's way for the benefit of a complete stranger as the average man is. And that's as it should be: men are stronger and faster than women, eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap.
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19hr ago
Ahem:
“You can’t compare this to, like, poor people who complain about being poor. Food and stuff are basic biological human needs! Sex isn’t essential for life! It’s an extra, like having a yacht, or a pet tiger!”
I know that feminists are not always the biggest fans of evolutionary psychology. But I feel like it takes a special level of unfamiliarity with the discipline to ask “Sure, evolution gave us an innate desire for material goods, but why would it give us an deep innate desire for pair-bonding and reproduction??!”
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20hr ago
Yeah, I also bristle a little when I see parents getting their very young daughters' ears pierced, but you have to pick your battles.
Claims of rape are still baseless.
You obviously aren't familiar with "Karen" White. What do you mean by "baseless"? Do you mean that no trans-identified inmate in a women's prison has ever raped one of their fellow inmates?
According to the Guardian, there were 97 sexual assaults in the female estate between 2016-19, of which 7 were committed by transgender inmates. At the time there were 3,795 people housed in the female estate, of whom 34 were transgender. In other words, a transgender inmate is more than ten times more likely to sexually assault a fellow inmate than a cisgender female inmate.
- A female inmate who's suing the Illinois department of corrections after she was sexually assaulted by a male inmate.
- A male inmate who was charged with rape while incarcerated in a women's prison.
- A male inmate convicted of raping a female inmate in a women's prison.
- A male inmate transferred out of the women's prison and back into the men's after raping two female inmates.
- A male inmate rapes and impregnates a female inmate in a women's prison
But sure, "baseless".
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20hr ago
It's also to prevent flashers from doing their thing. Indecent exposure is a crime. There are lots of men who get off on exposing their genitalia to women who don't want to see it, and yes, a non-negligible proportion of those are trans-identified males.
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21hr ago
In most human societies, it is not as easy to identify the sex of another person.
Ah yes, one of those incredibly difficult tasks that babies learn to do before they can walk or talk.
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21hr ago
they're banning trans people completely
I don't propose banning trans people (whatever that means). I don't propose rounding trans people and herding them into camps. I propose making people use the public facilities and compete in the sporting events that concord with their sex. I'm not saying "trans people can't compete in sporting events ever"; I'm saying "if they wish to compete in sporting events, trans people must compete in the sporting events corresponding to their sex, just like everyone else".
This definition is internally consistent and non-circular. The only problem with it is that it doesn't match how any trans person uses the term "gender identity".
Trans-identified males don't claim that they want to be women. They claim that they are women, in some ineffable sense of the term which transcends mere anatomy.
It also makes every associated word collapse into incoherence. According to your definition, the term "woman" refers to both "a person with XX chromosomes" and "a person who doesn't have XX chromosomes but wishes to be treated as if they did". Doesn't it strike you as strange, using exactly the same word for the thing itself and for people who wish to be the thing itself? Is this how any other word in the English language is defined? The word "billionaire" solely refers to people with a net worth of 1 billion or more; we do not use it to also refer to people who wish they had a net worth of 1 billion or more (for that, we have "aspiring billionaire"). The word "lawyer" refers to someone who is licensed to practise law; we do not also use it to refer to people who wish they were licensed to practise law (for that, we have "aspiring lawyer" or "lawyer in training"). I genuinely can't think of an example of a word in the English language which refers to both the thing in itself and to anyone who wants to be the thing in itself.
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