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naraburns  nihil supernum  2yr ago (text post)   Edited 2yr ago   6174 thread views

Quality Contributions Report for October 2022

Y'all must be trying to kill me. The sheer volume of quality contribution reports, combined with the outrageous volume of text you maniacs generate every week, made this an astonishing month to be sorting through the hopper. By far the busiest month for AAQCs since I took over the task. This made winnowing them down especially challenging, and some very good posts simply didn't make the cut simply because the competition was so fierce.

Good job, everyone.

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These are mostly chronologically ordered, but I have in some cases tried to cluster comments by topic so if there is something you are looking for (or trying to avoid), this might be helpful. Here we go:

Quality Contributions in Culture Peace

@problem_redditor:

Contributions for the week of September 26, 2022

@PmMeClassicMemes:

@KulakRevolt:

Battle of the Sexes

@Tanista:

@problem_redditor:

@Ben___Garrison:

Contributions for the week of October 3, 2022

@Primaprimaprima:

@FiveHourMarathon:

@FCfromSSC:

@urquan:

Identity Politics

@Stefferi:

@urquan:

Contributions for the week of October 10, 2022

@urquan:

@Amadan:

@Chrisprattalpharaptor:

Battle of the Sexes

@VelveteenAmbush:

@sodiummuffin:

@JTarrou:

@bsbbtnh:

Identity Politics

@georgioz:

@gattsuru:

Contributions for the week of October 17, 2022

@MadMonzer:

@Minotaur:

@faceh:

@Butlerian:

@FCfromSSC:

@hydroacetylene:

@urquan:

@Eetan:

Identity Politics

@Hoffmeister25:

Contributions for the week of October 24, 2022

@urquan:

@johnfabian:

@LacklustreFriend:

@FCfromSSC:

@DaseindustriesLtd:

Battle of the Sexes

@cae_jones:

@SSCReader:

@Hoffmeister25:

Identity Politics

@FCfromSSC:

@Tanista:

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Agreed.

The upvote:aaqc ratio is much higher for posts that come from a left wing angle.

Counter to @Chrisprattalpharaptor, I think if a post makes a good faith attempt to explaining a left wing position without sneering at right wingers 3 sentences in, or just without being disrespectful to rightwingers and calling them nazis or cousin fuckers or whatever, there is a much higher chance of it showing up as an aaqc.

I have nominated a few left-wing posts based on that criteria alone, "didn't call right wingers nazis and blamed all of the worlds evils on them, and made an honest attempt to understand their worldview". You might not realize how rare that is!

This has been said in the motte a whole lot, but for the average Blue Triber, the default mode of interaction in most of the internet is vehement agreement. Inverse for the Red Triber. So most blue tribers have their calibration way off and come away with even mere disagreement being hostile, and acceptance of Red Tribers as almost downright unbearable.

For all the bitching and moaning that progressives do about the Motte, does how the motte talk about progressives or their sacred cows even hold a candle to how most progressive places talk about right wingers?

It was mostly tongue-in-cheek, and I'd probably agree with the first half of your comment.

As for the second, well, I think you just haven't found the right corners of facebook/gab/parler yet.

For all the bitching and moaning that progressives do about the Motte, does how the motte talk about progressives or their sacred cows even hold a candle to how most progressive places talk about right wingers?

Not for the most part, but you're comparing the highly educated and slightly restrained members of one group versus the rabble of the other. Compare /r/pol with the breitbart news comments section and you'll find some interesting symmetries.

I don't think a left-wing parallel to the motte exists at all to make a comparison to. That is a left-wing forum that discusses the culture war primarily. Ironically the ones that do somewhat meet that criteria are all rationalist adjacent places.

But if we compare the motte to non rationalist, educated, restrained left wing places such as academic forums, hackernews, or even some very high quality subreddits. Its atleast obvious to me that the word "republican" is much more of a slur than the word "democrat" is a slur here in the motte.

So I am sticking to my premise that leftwingers in general are just not used to disagreement because their baseline is everyone agrees with them.

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