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				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
So when whites were winning the culture war, that was decreased tribalism? It seems like you just define "tribalism" in relation to whether or not your tribe is "winning." If you want to say "I am pro-tribalism, I am a zero-sum conflict theorist and I want my tribe to crush other tribes," that would be honest. But you still haven't described anything unique to Jews to justify blaming them for culture war and tribalism.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


The literal bible was inspired by culture war.




All religious texts are.




Jews vs Civilization, over and over.




Hindus vs. civilization. Confucianists vs. civilization. Christians vs. civilization. Muslims vs. civilization. Over and over. Every religion frames itself as being "against" the world, which is in need of cleansing/refinement. In all your ranting about Jews, over and over, you have never, ever pointed at anything unique to Jews.




In your mind Open-Borders advocacy is the absence of tribal conflict




See, this is an example of how hard you fail at Turing-modeling your opponents. I am absolutely not an open borders advocate.


If you are just gesturing at open borders as an example of "Jew things," I'd like to see a poll that shows the majority of Jews are in favor of open borders, because I doubt it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


We've been living in conflict and animosity towards us our entire lives. The conflict and animosity has always been here dude! It's just been a one-sided conflict until now.




We have been living in conflict and animosity for all of human history, but violence, and specifically inter-tribal conflict, is actually at a historical low, particularly in the West. To the degree that it goes up, it is owing more to people like you, who fan your personal resentments and animosities and try to exhort others to join in violent conflict against your outgroup, than Jews. Jews did not start the wars, Jews did not create culture war, and Jews are participants, like you and me, and not puppet-masters.


I would like to reduce conflict, and you want to exacerbate it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I'm not shocked or angry. Again, why do y'all project so much?


Very simply, I think you are factually wrong and your views are both ahistorical and malign, leading to conflict and animosity that is the desired goal of certain types of people, but not better for humanity as a whole. Which I do not limit to "white people" because I also think tribal zero-sum conflict is bad.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


The same Christians who accept immigrants, homosexuals, women's rights and support for Israel.




Actually, it is also used by conservative Christians who are not in favor of those things. (Except maybe support for Israel; most conservative Christians are pro-Israel.)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I hear Christians use it more often than Jews.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Sure, but most Jewish "tribalism" is just sticking to their own community and following their own religion (and being moneylenders, which is never popular but also is a result of historical exclusion from other professions). The SS version where they have been inimical to gentiles is just "drinks the blood of Christian children" / "rats who stabbed the Fatherland in the back" nonsense being repeated in the 21st century as "engineered woke and mass immigration."


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


You are just flatly wrong, you have been tricked.




Dude, I know history better than you do. You just keep repeating things that intentionally miss the point.




Do you believe Jews have a race consciousness as Jews?




Yes and no. They have ethnic and religious consciousness as Jews, but not all Jews are Ashkenazi and my understanding is there is actually some racial division within the Jewish community. What you're really asking me is "Are Jews tribal? As tribal as I want whites to be?" And the answer is yes. That said, when people like you want them to cease existing ("as Jews, in Minecraft"), of course they are going to be tribal. Historically, people like you are the reason Jews are so tribal. Yes, I know your version is that they started it and if Jews didn't act so Jewish people wouldn't hate them.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


people like you are duped into thinking we always thought the way you do today.




You're being very lazy. When I say whites didn't have racial consciousness as whites, I don't mean I believe Thomas Jefferson or the 1920s Supreme Court believed all races are the same. I mean you are trying to construct a pan-white brotherhood based solely on European ancestry that did not exist.




Jews should be treated no differently than Jews treat Whites.




Concretely, what does this mean? I know you think (almost) all Jews are involved in some conspiracy to destroy white people, though the mechanics seem to be basically using social influence and democratic processes to make society more liberal? So how would you reverse uno the Jews?




Atheistic Jews still very frequently identify as Jews.




Okay, so thanks for confirming that there's no realistic way any Jew could be regarded as acceptable to you, regardless of his individual beliefs. If a Jew actually said "okay, I no longer identify as a Jew, I am just a white American," you would say "lol no."


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Can we just appreciate that you don't think "White American" is a real thing when it was the original requirement for citizenship?




I do think "White American" is a real thing as a social category. I do not think it is a real thing as a unified ethnic tribe with uniform common beliefs and traditions. (It's kind of getting there but it's relatively recent.) You are playing a weaselly game of definitions here. "Hurr hurr you don't even think white people exist, you have been brainwashed by Da Joos." No, I think white people exist. I do not think "white people" have had the "racial consciousness" you assert and advocate until recently, historically.




And where are they now? They are White. They don't cling to their ancestry in remotely the same way Jews retain their identity and organize on the basis of their identity.




Okay, but so what? Historically, the answer is that Germans, French, Dutch, English, etc. were able to assimilate and become part of the broader American "white" society in a way that was precluded for Jews. Your answer is that Jews are uniquely nefarious and Jewish culture and identity is uniquely malign. Market minorities exist in other places in the world and behave in similar ways. You simultaneously endorse shunning Jews-as-Jews from society but complain that, thus shunned, they continue to band together and maintain their own society. You can't tell people "We hate you and won't accept you, but don't you dare stick together out of self-defense."




That's why it's a non-starter. If Jews want to assimilate into a White pro-civilizational ideology they need to free themselves from Yahweh.




Do Christians also have to reject their god? Are you a "Christianity is a Jew-cucked slave morality cult" white nationalist? Or are you a "Judeo-Christianity is a Jew lie" white nationalist?




"If you want to be one of us you have to be one of us." You can't retain identity with a superstitious desert cult on the basis of a blood-covenant with a jealous anti-civilizational god.




Leaving aside the practicality of demanding people abandon a religion that's thousands of years old because you think that uniquely among all religions in the world, it's evil, I do not believe you'd actually accept Jews who abandon Judaism, and I think with good reason, Jews would not believe you. (And even if you are an unusually magnanimous white nationalist, as I said most of your fellow WNs are pretty open about wanting Jews to just... quietly and peacefully vanish to Mars or something.) There are atheistic Jews today with no connection to the Jewish religion, but you still accuse them of Jewing Jewishly. How many generations would they have to divest themselves of Judaism before you'd consider them no longer Jewy Jews? Your proposal is not sincere and not credible.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 31, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
You're either trolling in a very unfunny manner, or you're proposing something improbable and inflammatory enough to require something in the way of evidence.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 31, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I realize this isn’t a top quality post, so I accept the judgement of the mods




Just for the record, this was fine, and I wish people would stop thinking we impose some unreasonable standard for top-level posts. You described the context, why it's interesting, and what your take on it is, and you provided enough substance to kick off a conversation without it just being a "First!" with a copy-paste of a news blurb.


We don't discourage people from starting threads saying "Let's talk about the latest big news item." We discourage people from rushing to be the first to post it with low-effort bids to capture the top-level thread.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


In the United States they absolutely did so, from the foundation of the country eligibility for citizenship was "White".




Yes, because they were very concerned about slaves, and slave (or freedmen) populations mixing with the white population. You're arguing we should use the racial anxiety of slaveholders as the basis of our ethnic identity. Unless you are literally proposing a return to slavery (or at least, something like Apartheid), this is not going to work, and it's still a very particular historical window from which you are deriving your notion of "white identity."


If you read a little American history, you will realize that while English, Germans, French, and Dutch considered themselves closer to each other than Indians or blacks, they certainly did not think of themselves as one people, let alone those barely-human Spaniards, Italians, Irish, and Greeks. Even under slavery, we had all the tribes described in Albion's Seed and more; they were anything but "Hello, fellow White People!"


You want to create an artificial and ahistorical white identity for political purposes. The modern "African American" identity is kind of like that, I guess, but their circumstances were quite different.




You can get arrested for being too enthusiastic in your identification as an ethnic Brit.




You won't see me defending the British legal regime, but you're gonna have to stretch real hard to put that on the Jews.




It is absolutely possible to Culture-War someone's identity into submission. Jewish identity should be analyzed and criticized in equal measure.




Your critique, though, is as useless as the people who think Chinese are all bugmen. Or the people who really do think "it's not okay to be white" (because we're all born racist and evil). It's a paranoid fantasy of a global Jewish hivemind.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


It happened to us didn't it?




What exactly happened to us? As I understand it, you want "white people" to consolidate as a single ethno-national identity, but white nationalism is a modern construct. White people did not historically think of themselves as one tribe. So you're casting back for an identity that never existed.


I'd be fine seeing Judaism abandoned, but I feel that way about all religions. "Slave morality": very Nietzche, much edgy, but most religions preach some form of humility and service and other nasty things Ike mercy and generosity and also we are special to the gods because only we follow the rules correctly.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


@Amadan really hates that, he calls it an obsession by a hater




I find racial obsessions and advocating for race war annoying, because it is based on dishonesty and unreasoning hatred and will not lead to human betterment. You like to characterize me as feeling "hatred" or "pointing and sputtering" because you're not so subtly trying to imply I'm a Jew, or Jew aligned. In fact, I just think you're wrong about most things.


That said, since you're in a discursive mood: you say you don't want a violent pogrom. You don't want to exterminate Jews. (I maintain your real position is "The Holocaust didn't happen and it's good that it did"). You just want to... eliminate Jewishness, in the same sense that the woke left talks about "eliminating whiteness"? Realistically, though, how does that work? Do you really believe a converted campaign could persuade Jews worldwide to abandon their identity as Jews, religion and all? Especially given that even if you are sincere about not wishing them physical harm, many (most) of your fellow travelers are less reticent and seem very unlikely to accept hypothetical "de-Jewed" Jews into the fold?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Deportation to the "Jewish homeland of Israel" seems particularly ironic when most antisemites nowadays say Jews have no right to be there either. So I appreciate your honesty, but I think your zero-sum view of the world would result only in endless race war. I do not think this is the best outcome for my people or white children, quite aside from the moral issues.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Knowing a thing or two about some Asian cultures, I question the assertion that Jews are the most race conscious people on the planet. But let's say it's true. "Coin clipping" aside, why should we want to kill them? (And can we be honest here, since you're being so "race-conscious"? When you say "secure a future for white children" and pose Jews as an existential threat, the quiet part SS won't say out loud is that you feel like something must be done about Jews, and "be more race conscious" isn't it.)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 10, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
As much as I like Harry Potter, your observations are largely correct and point to something I have observed in all of Rowling's writing, including her adult novels, which is that she is a woman and she writes men, well, like a woman. Which means she has a theoretical understanding of manly virtues and an abstract appreciation of manhood, but only through a feminist lens. She loves Harry, but she loves him like a son. Hermione is basically her alter ego on the page. She would not have noticed all the tensions you point out, in which she makes her girl supporting character be not just smart, but basically the planner and decision maker while Harry is just sort of there to show up and play hero. Because in her conception, you don't really need (or necessarily want) men to be in charge, you just want them to do the brave heavy lifting. Certainly Harry taking command and Hermione deferring to him would have been... uncomfortable for her.


This is apparent in her Cormoran Strike novels as well. Cormoran is a big tough former special forces soldier, but over the course of the series he's increasingly there to be protective muscle while Robin makes decisions.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 23, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I've met a few blue collar Jews. How is this a tension in my criticism of hating random Jews? Blue collar or white collar, why should I believe that every individual Jew is part of some anti-Goy hive mind, conspiring against us? And how is their economic success an indictment against them? Because they could only be successful by "cheating" and collaborating against their neighbors? That's just what every culture in history has resentfully said about visibly successful minority groups.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Tinker Tuesday for September 1st, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Figures. GURPS has been on life support for a long time now.


(But at least it's still alive, unlike In Nomine.)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Tinker Tuesday for September 1st, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I've upgraded my bespoke-GURPS-Vehicles-2nd-Edition




Did they ever do a Vehicles 4th edition?




At some point, it would be nice to have some form of human connection outside my immediate family not rigorously policed for conformity to alien dogma. The general Artist position on AI is a skin of intellectually-bankrupt blather on top of an ocean of naked self-interest, but goddamn will they crucify you if you cross them on it in any way.




Yes, I find this very frustrating also. I am coming around to using AI for developmental editing and beta-reading and finding better and better ways to use it for things like compiling a series bible and tracking plot threads and other very useful writing research tasks. I feel like many authors could use this, and I'm about qualified to teach a class on it. But hell if I'm going to suggest it at a writer's conference or a convention- I might as well take the wrong side on Israel/Palestine or trans rights.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 24, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Well, I genuinely hope you are right, but "meaningfully" is doing a lot of work there and I look forward to seeing how this will turn our balance sheet black.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 24, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Cool. They're defeated, so we can stop spending blood and treasure on them, bask in a post-war victory, and reap the economic and political rewards you say are due imminently, without worrying what Iran or their proxies will do next year, or the year after that, or years from now. Right? That's what you're saying, right?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 24, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


This is not really an argument, you are just trying to point and laugh at me and use the approval of the audience to feel as though you have one.




This is quite tiresome. The easiest way for you to get updoots is to tell me off. "The audience" loves it. The last thing I expect when arguing with anyone here is applause from the crowd. If you are feeling piled on, consider why, in this place of all places, hardly a progressive or anti-Trump stronghold, you're having a hard time making a persuasive case.




This is especially puzzling because the progress from limited traffic in the straits to current levels is very good evidence in favor of my position.




Your position is that the war is good for us and is proceeding favorably, and your evidence is that things aren't quite as bad now as when the war began.


Making this argument while accusing me of having no argument makes me suspect your defensiveness is perhaps a little niggle of self-doubt?




I might be willing to respect the fact that your position is more complicated than just assessing how much Iran is capable of threatening the American position.




I have told you this repeatedly. Iran's ability to threaten the American position is not at all the most important consideration here.




But I don’t think you can repeat my own views to me in terms that I would understand. For that reason, I don’t think this conversation is worth continuing




That's fine, but when you drop in next week to declare triumphally again that Trump is right about everything, the war is going great, and it's totally been good for America, you will likely face the same skepticism and questions.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 24, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I'm an Old School Star Wars fan (I saw A New Hope in theaters when it was just a little SF flick starting to get buzz).


I think you're forgetting just how much fans loathed the prequels when they first came out. Well, loathed is a strong term. They still went to see them. Fans had been waiting for 16 years after Return of the Jedi, the hype was overwhelming, and while A Phantom Menace was of course a box office success, hardcore SW fans were trashing it and the rest of the prequels almost immediately. Today maybe the backlash against Jar Jar Binks and Jake Lloyd's acting seems overdone, but at the time those prequels felt like a huge let-down, as pretty as they were. The plot went in weird directions, the characters weren't what people were expecting, and of course over a decade of EU content and fan speculation got blown away. The prequels were really... not good, and the consensus was that George Lucas was a good visual director but hugely overrated as a writer.


Of course, then the sequels came out and made the prequels look like golden age SF by comparison.