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And every gimmick hungry yob

Digging gold from rock n roll

Grabs the mic to tell us

he'll die before he's sold

But I believe in this

And it's been tested by research

He who fucks nuns

Will later join the church


				
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And every gimmick hungry yob


Digging gold from rock n roll


Grabs the mic to tell us


he'll die before he's sold


But I believe in this


And it's been tested by research


He who fucks nuns


Will later join the church



				

				

				

				

				

					

					

					
					
					

					
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Huh, interesting, guess I've been wrong all this time.




IMHO it even works well with unrequited love; other than the "alibis" bit the lyrics could be about someone realizing he probably missed his chance with a girl he never had the guts to make a move on.




I always took that as a girl saying so and so was "just a friend." Which works regardless.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Compare Before He Cheats. Excellent cheating song, but no man is really going to sing it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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((I don't think jealousy is strictly universal, but its absence is closer to a form of damage than a strength; even in poly relationships, people like the underlying relationship claim that it represents. The extent cuckolding as a kink tends to be a marmite -- normal people either absolutely hate it or really like it -- suggests at least the fear of infidelity is extremely common.))




The great myth of polyamory (broadly defined) is that it is the lack of jealousy, rather than the negotiation of jealousy against other goods and utilities.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 1, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Typically in old melodrama, which is light on intellectual depth if not on topic, the uniting factor was the evil back alley abortionist. This was the skeleton key to the story, the poor innocent girl who got into trouble was understandable, but look at the results! Dirty Dancing is a good reference point here. The net result can be either pro or anti abortion: either we need to legalize it to make it safe, or we need to keep girls chaste so they don't end up here.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 8, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
And I think the market situation tells us, clearly, that women with high enough IQ to comprehend and execute that plan, while also being willing to be prostitutes and prostitutes to nerds, are in short supply.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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I am going to assume the very best girls don’t even become whores. Steve Jobs wife would never become a whore because Stanford MBA and attractive makes it trivially easy for her to marry well. So I feel the supply side of the whore market can’t be power law because the far right tail just does marriage. Depending on your taste the far right tail of females are Tom Brady or Steve Jobs wives.






And then you have Miami. Where the strip clubs are basically brothels and like $500 gets you a girl hotter than these SF escorts. The price in Miami really is 5-10% of San Francisco. If you believe these girls and their $4k/hour claims.






So my guess is this is much more a story of market inefficiency. Some girls probably did find a magic marketing technique and location. And few hot girls want to live in San Francisco. So the high price is a lack of knowledge by other whores on marketing and a huge premium for having to live in San Francisco.






I believe a lot of this is just search costs. Whores don’t know how to market to tech nerds. Tech nerds don’t know how to find whores. The ones that know how to connect the two make a lot.




Listen I get all this, this all makes sense to me. What I'm saying is that the subset of women who are likely to become escorts don't get this and it doesn't make sense to them. Start talking to them about arbitrage and they'll fall asleep before you finish, in either sense.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 8, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


aella, the famous rationalist whorelord, popularized this niche of pseudo-intellectual prostitutes appealing to rationalists and other tech nerds for extreme amounts of money.




If it were an easy niche to fill, the price would be driven down. Aella is genuinely a uniquely talented person in her ability to occupy the two different niches involved at the same time. That's obvious when I listen to her on podcast appearances.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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I don't think it's hard data to universalize to gen-pop, but I'm curious because I'm curious about my own community.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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I said this in the original Mr. Brightside thread, but I think the theme is universal, and the feeling of jealousy is universal, because infidelity as a feeling isn't limited to "legal" infidelity as outlined in the survey.


The song is not about a girlfriend cheating on you. It's about feeling ambivalent after leaving a girl behind and knowing she is probably moving on. You have feelings for her, and in another life maybe you would end up together, but for bigger reasons you are moving on and you know she is too, and while you know you have to move on you still don't like the thought of her hooking up with someone else. That's the joke in the name: he's "Mr. Brightside" because even though he's the one who chooses to change his life and become a rock star, he's still jealous of her, he can't help but look on the "bright side" of everything.


Lyrics for analysis




Comin' out of my cage and I've been doin' just fine, Gotta, gotta be down because I want it all




He's "coming out of his cage" because "he wants it all." He's moving on, moving up, changing his life. He has to because:




it's just the price I pay, Destiny is calling me




Losing the girl he loved is the cost of the changes in his life, which he has to make, "destiny" is calling him. He knows he wants to become a rock star, he has to become a rock star, the cost is worth it. But there is a cost, he can't have the girl and his destiny, and even if he still must pursue his dreams he still has feelings for the girl.


Everyone with romantic feelings feels jealousy, even if they've never formally been cheated on by someone who had formally promised not to do that, it's a natural human emotion. Girls who get married get jealous when guys they turned down marry someone hotter. Boys who break up with their girlfriend when they go  off to college get jealous when she gets a new boyfriend. Guys who get married to women are still jealous of ex boyfriends she had twenty years ago, even if they never had sex, even if they only ever kissed. People are jealous when people they dumped move on. Men rage with jealousy when their ex finds someone better because they don't want her to have someone better; they rage with jealousy if she sleeps with every loser because it implies that he is also a loser.


Jealousy is pretty much irreducible as a feeling. Maybe when you achieve true monogamy, as opposed to serial monogamy, first kiss on the altar, it reduces somewhat. But I don't really see much active evidence of that in anecdata.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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I feel like this comes down to whether you consider ethics a legal code of bare minimums, or ethical behavior is a maximal standard we all strive for and ultimately fail. I think it's reasonable to say no billionaire was also a saint.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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You shouldn't use either an AI or a listing agent in this market. What "connections" do you need to sell a house?


I haven't fired anyone, but I've probably reduced their hours while increasing the service I get. I didn't fire my mechanic, but I'm often able to diagnose problems more effectively and go into my mechanic saying "x is wrong" rather than "idk man you tell me." I haven't fired my engineer, but when I have a casual question on regulations I ask chatgpt and it points me to the relevant code section, rather than paying my engineer to do so.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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The easy misdirect joke ("and they're going to bed and my stomach is sick, and it's all in my head and she's touching his CHEST now") is just dirty enough to draw a laugh from everyone, but not dirty enough to make it impossible to play on a "clean" playlist; easy enough that even the dimmest bulb can fill in the blank but checks and scans. I genuinely attribute a lot of its popularity to that execution.


It's a jealousy song, which everyone can relate to in some way, but not an infidelity song really, I always thought the song is explicitly ("but it's just the price I pay, destiny is calling me") about the mixed feeling of jealousy you get after you break up with a girl because you're moving, presumably in the song about being a rock star but also an ordinary experience around going to college or changing jobs. You still have feelings for her and get jealous at the thought of her going out and sleeping with another guy, but you had to break up with her, this is you looking on the "bright side."


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 1, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I'm using Soap Opera inexactitly, there were abortion plotlines on network dramas like Tales of the City much earlier than Roe.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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It's sad that the uproar created has raised doubts in my mind that anything about this story is real.


Influencers are largely seizing on the same stories that used to be on network TV (Paul brothers and clavicular reinventing pro wrestling from first principles, romantic and gay drama, etc). Abortion as the big controversial topical episode plot has been a soap opera staple since, what, dirty dancing or law and order?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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I don't think it's really possible.


My wife is reading LOTR for the first time right now, and asked me how much of modern fantasy Tolkien invented. And I said that it's not so much that he invented a lot of things, almost everything in LOTR had some precedent either in prior sword and sandals fantasy universes or in myths both ancient and modern. ((Among other things, I think Tolkien scholars make a concerted effort to connect Numenor primarily to Plato's Atlantis and skip over the various Aryanist fantasies around Atlantis and Lemuria you see more clearly in R.E. Howard's stories.))


But Tolkien is fantasy's Most Recent Common Ancestor on essentially all questions. He settled a lot of different versions of what Elves, Orcs, Goblins, Dwarves were. Before Tolkien they could be a lot of things, after Tolkien they're mainly just the one thing, or if you change it you are in conscious conversation with Tolkien's tradition in changing it.


You just can't get that kind of juice today. The only thing comparable in influence is D&D, which will never get the same credibility.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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It's a literary debate grenade I throw out every few months when someone brings up Game of Thrones, how GRRM set out consciously with the goal of critiquing or debating or surpassing Tolkien, and ultimately failed because he was unable to write an ending.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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World War Z was released on the upswing of Peak Zombie, and now we're well into the downslop. I loved zombie apocalypse content around high school in 2010 or so, but by the time The Walking Dead was big and the World War Z movie came out, it was just so beaten to death and cliche that I was sick of it all.


As an aside, I believe that is what is preventing GRRM from ever finishing The Winds of Winter, he probably had ideas for how to really play with and subvert tropes around zombies in fantasy/horror...and then a hundred other major zombie properties came out between when he started the series and when he got to TWOW, and a thousand more have come out while he's working on TWOW. My personal theory: Jon Snow is meant to assume the role of the Night King to lead the Others and the Zombies away from the human lands to the South, this has been theorycrafted well in advance. The problem for GRRM is that this is also the ending to the Arthas raid in World of Warcraft Wrath of the Lich King, so it's no longer cool and creative and subverting tropes in the genre, it's merely regurgitating another story. The irony being that both the Scourge's first appearance in Warcraft III and the ending of WotLK were probably inspired by GRRM and ASOIAF. GRRM's subversiveness has been torpedoed by his own success before he could finish his work.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 1, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Headlines from the future:




Graham Platner in Hot Water After "Sieg Hiel" Salute at State of the Union: Platner says it was "clearly satire"






Graham Platner Spotted Driving with "I bought it before we knew he was crazy" bumper sticker on his Volkswagen GTI






Controversy Swirls Around Platner's "25 Point Plan" for the Democratic Party Platform






Senator Platner, Secretary Hegseth, FBI Director MIA: The three haven't been seen in public for three days after Platner offered to "get out a bottle" at Oversight Hearing.






Senate Debates Censure or Removal of One of its Own: Senator Graham Platner of Maine faces consequences from punching President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner in the face at a meet and greet; Platner retorts that "everyone wanted to."




				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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I guess I wasn't clear in my meaning, because I didn't think the point needed to be explicated at length.


People are not objective when talking about former, or current, lovers. There is no "real" and no "truth" to be found in their accounts of their former lovers. I don't know if she's lying in the sense of knowingly telling a falsehood, or telling the truth as she experienced/remembers it, and I have no way of knowing. The testimony of ex-gfs is useless, because they are in most cases incapable of objective truth, it's too close to their self.


This is not an area of human experience that can be explained through litigating facts and evidence.


This is Brett Kavanaugh all over again. Some things just shouldn't be talked about, because it's pointless to talk about them.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 1, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
There's two different kinds of fraud. You have a fake election: there are no votes you just make it up. That can be done quickly. Then there's a real election where you insert enough fake votes to make up the difference at the end, that has to be done slowly.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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The incentives are mixed, they want high circulation of their articles and they want people to pay for them, price discrimination not total lockout.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Ok and?


Women criticize ex boyfriends constantly and absurdly. I was confused by this, when I was in high school. Melodramatic nonsense.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 1, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
You're probably reaching back to something like LBJ's Texas Senate race, where the candidates and their machines would hold counties in reserve to play against each other like trap cards, with each county having the margin needed to counter your opponent's reveal until they ran out.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 1, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Vote blue no matter who was only ever a hammer used to convince leftists to moderate, never a tool used to make moderates move left.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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What does "real" even mean when you're asking someone's ex-gf questions about them?


The baseline expectation should be that if you ask a woman about her ex-bf, she'll describe him as some mix of narcissist/manchild/abusive/idiot/loser. Anything positive is actively surprising.