FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
And every gimmick hungry yob
Digging gold from rock n roll
Grabs the mic to tell us
he'll die before he's sold
But I believe in this
And it's been tested by research
He who fucks nuns
Will later join the church
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FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
5hr ago
We should, but I don't know how to weight it, as an American big L Liberal, because I don't know if that deal was ever considered credibly on the table, or if it was just a salami slice to Ukrainian subjugation. Also, Crimea is a concern, as it ruins the contiguous map of Ukraine, it's a dagger through the heart of Ukraine.
Nationalists all want France's Frontières naturelles de la France, the mountain ranges rivers and seas that form France's modern boundaries, that create a contiguous country without strong external threats. Few countries resemble such things naturally, they require something like the Napoleonic wars to produce.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
6hr ago
Presumably financial and familial support outside of sex and romance.
A lot of women won't get the latter in any case.
Bias disclosure: I am not convinced of the sacred uniqueness of the Ukrainian people, and think they probably should have stayed part of Russia after the fall of the USSR.
The problem with any national border is that it wants to be a bunch of things at the same time. Administratively convenient, contiguous, following clear natural boundaries, and containing all the X on one side and all the Y on the other. This can only be achieved by violence.
This war could be the violent birth of a real Ukrainian nation.
But redrawing boundaries and announcing they are not sacrosanct is equally fraught with danger.
It's also an extremely common trope of nationalists from Magyars to Israelis to seek larger borders.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
7hr ago
They'd prefer, even more, a future with more Ukrainians in a larger Ukraine, and they might not be averse to reeducating misguided Russian-speakers, or expelling them. Certainly, they aren't going to accept reduction of their borders.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
8hr ago
and for most of his second term.
Homeboy, we're not even halfway through the second term, and we've committed to at least two acts of war (I'll spot you bombing Yemen).
...seeing as the anti-war Dems have never trusted—and will never trust—Trump in the first place.
Which is my point, betraying your base to appeal to your enemies by turning on Israel won't work, because your enemies won't trust you anyway.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
8hr ago
It's also very possible that Iran's left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing, given the break down in Iranian government communications created by this situation.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
8hr ago
The new head of the Jalisco New Generation cartel is a United States Citizen born in California.
MAGA is bringing foreign jobs home. U-S-A, U-S-A.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
8hr ago
The underlying tension is the definition of "The Nation" that is being protected or promoted through these wars.
Attalus III deeded his kingdom to Rome in his will, knowing that inevitably Rome would subsume his kingdom regardless, and this avoided violence and death in his population. He protected his population, and while initially they weren't Roman citizens, their descendants likely became citizens later. I don't have the classicist juice to be able to trace Pergamese(?) families through time, but maybe it's been done. Maybe, genetically, those families were better off over time, with more and better off descendants as a result?
The modern Nationalist view, on the other hand, is that cultural extinction as a unique ethnic group is just as bad as genetic extinction. Zionists would not consider a future in which genetic descendants of Jews were numerous, but they didn't identify as Jews or practice Judaism. Zionists would prefer a future of a million practicing Jews to a future of fifty million undifferentiated Jewish descended people.
Ukrainian nationalists would prefer a future of a smaller Ukraine with fewer Ukrainians, to a future with more numerous Ukrainian descendants who speak Russian.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
9hr ago
Big difference. Nobody likes Iran, a large contingent of American prots actively believe that supporting Israel is a religious obligation. I drive by (biblically ignorant, in my opinion) billboards reading "God blesses those who bless Israel" on a daily basis.
I suppose there's "blessed are the peacemakers" as a counter, but everyone ignores that anyway, except Pope Leo.
Also, I think Republican support for the Iran war is overstated. 80-85% of Republicans support the strikes in most polls I've seen, the equivalent numbers in Iraq were 95%+ (Lizardman range) for the first few years of the war. Losing 10-15% support from your own party is pretty bad, though it's just issue polling.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
9hr ago
Reports now on CNN, Iran is denying that there are talks.
Which, who knows, we could even have a situation where talks are going on but communication within the Iranian government has broken down.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
10hr ago
A sudden face-heel turn on Israel is a significantly larger action than anything you've seen in the paper up until now.
Betrayal is the most difficult move to execute in a democracy, because the people who support the betrayal rarely trust you afterward. The anti-war caucus will not trust Trump after he flips on Israel, while the zionist contingent will be demoralized and may stay home.
It's not really possible to fully model something like this because it's basically never happened before. The closest I can think of is maybe LBJ on civil rights, or HW Bush on taxes? But even those weren't nearly as clear value betrayals as this would be.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
11hr ago
Such an action, while hilarious, probably dooms Republicans in the midterms to such an extent that it would be unlikely for Trump to actually try it.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
11hr ago
Bear in mind there's a lot of propaganda flying around right now. All different sides seem to be spinning every event in the most climactic, dramatic way possible. So we have to be careful to separate fact from rumors and threats.
To be clear, this is a direct quote from the President of the United State:
If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP
There is no connection drawn between Iranian infrastructure attacks and American attacks on Iranian power plants, only between Iranian threats against shipping and American "obliteration" of Iranian power plants.
This is directly from the President of the United States, who by all reliable sources runs his own Truth social account. I don't understand how one can support the American war effort, and then say that to understand it you have to credit some statements by the POTUS, SoW, SoS; and discount others.
On the other hand, fifteen minutes ago as of this writing.
Good news everyone:
I AM PLEASE TO REPORT THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THE COUNTRY OF IRAN, HAVE HAD, OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS, VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. BASED ON THE TENOR AND TONE OF THESE IN DEPTH, DETAILED, AND CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS, WITCH WILL CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, I HAVE INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR TO POSTPONE ANY AND ALL MILITARY STRIKES AGAINST IRANIAN POWER PLANTS AND ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A FIVE DAY PERIOD, SUBJECT TO THE SUCCESS OF THE ONGOING MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP [sic]
We'll have to see how the markets open on this news.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
11hr ago
I'm pointing out that "marked unconcern for legal niceties" isn't really accurate,
How is it inaccurate to say that the US is unconcerned with legal niceties when the Secretary of War has made a career out of criticizing prior war efforts for their adherence to legal niceties? When the SoW has repeatedly made public statements that they are focused on "maximum lethality, not tepid legality?" When the stated intention has been from the beginning to open up rules of engagement based on legal niceties?
Look bro, you seem to want to be the woke police about people not being rah rah enough for the war, in future consider all my comments about the American war effort to contain the Politically Correct Disclaimer:
THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN IS AN EVIL REGIME THAT DOES EVIL THINGS, AND WE SHOULD NOT FORGET HOW EVIL THEY ARE
Then maybe you won't feel the need to play whataboutism in a discussion of the United States' openly avowed policies. Iran is evil, sure, that doesn't prevent one from examining policy questions in light of the statements made by the United States' Government.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
11hr ago
Any reason to treat sharing intelligence with Iran different than sharing intelligence with Ukraine?
Not particularly, except that Iran is pretty evil, Russia doesn't want Iran to have nukes either, and I'm American so I find killing Americans uniquely offensive. I can sit in a debate society in law school and say yeah that's fair game, I don't want the federal government to feel that way.
The biggest allegation would be that Khamenei jr is currently directing the Iranian government from Russia, which would be a lot worse.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
Is there any good credible reporting on the degree of aid from Russia to Iran? I'm hearing a lot of rumors, and a lot of deflections and non-denials from the administration, but I don't know to assess the credibility of anyone in this space.
It seems intuitive that Russia is the only real "winner" at this point in the war, and that Russia would want the war and the oil shortfall to go on as long as possible. And some of the reporting infuriates me as an American. But I don't want to get caught up in another internet circlejerk from liberal media.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
This is going to turn into the mother of all definitional disputes, major and battle being the big ones.
In WWII Europe, the US got caught pretty good at the Bulge before grinding it back around. On the flip side Arnhem failed.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
How would you characterize the concern for legal niceties exhibited by everyone else in modern history then? Iran, for instance is attacking other nations seemingly at random and targeting infrastructure and hotels and other civilian targets.
I don't see where this is relevant to the comment I made or the comment I'm replying to.
I think it's notable, as I've stated upwards in this comment chain, that Iran has only reported a total of 200-400 civilian casualties, showing that the USA has shown a great deal of concern for civilian casualties during this war, and an extraordinary ability to prevent them. For all the talk about the girls' school, it's basically been that and some spare change.
But the DoW leadership has hammered repeatedly on the message that the focus of the military is on "lethality, not legality." They have no concern for legal technicalities.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
The USA has shown a marked unconcern for legal niceties throughout, that is not going to change any opinions or make the top 5 list at the end of the war.
Power plants are 50/50 anyway, it should be proportional and Iran will provide proportionality afterwards if it hasn't by now.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
So apparently the gloves are coming off. Trump has Truthed out, in clear language, that Iran has 48 hours to allow all traffic through Hormuz with no threats of action, or the US will start hitting power plants. Apparently what Trump meant when he said the USA could easily open the strait without any help.
If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST!
Notably to this point Iranian government sources have only put civilian casualties at 200-400, essentially one big accident and change for a bombing operation this large. From here the intention is to strike civilian targets until Iran cries uncle.
Iran in turn is threatening to strike back at gulf power generation targets. With weapons they may or may not have at this point.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
2d ago
Chuck Norris is so fast he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head.
Chuck Norris knows Victoria's Secret.
There is no evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live.
Chuck Norris created giraffes when he hit a horse with an uppercut.
Chuck Norris can speak French in Russian.
Chuck Norris doesn't turn the lights on, he turns the dark off.
Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one bird.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
2d ago
"Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face" is a good argument against overly elaborate plans or plans that don't take account of the enemy's vote. When it becomes a fully generalizable argument against asking for any plan whatsoever, then it's just a deepity.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
3d ago
There is no long term plan clearly expressed at this point. Right now there are three outcomes that have been mooted by Trump and Co at different times:
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Regime change/the people finally rise up: Iran's government falls. USA makes a deal with the new Iranian government (s) to get everything moving again. Goes to Trump's calls for unconditional surrender.
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The United States gets bored and leaves, as Trump threatened yesterday. The gulf countries probably make a deal with Iran to pay tolls to get Hormuz open.
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USA is able to brute force destroy Iran's ability to harm vessels in the strait, and traffic resumes. The air war may continue more or less indefinitely, with Iran slowly ground down but the islamists maintaining power over the rubble. Iran becomes increasingly irrelevant. Goes to Trump's plans for naval escorts and island threats.
I'm not sure which seems likely at this point.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
3d ago
Bragging about how cool I am...
By talking about playing WoW in the lamest way possible
I think I'm doing it wrong.
Weird that this is how I found out about Chuck.
I agree that most women would prefer not to have that, but in the grainy truth of reality, I know women with worse marriages than that, who would do well to trade their current husbands who don't have sex with them for a rich gay husband who doesn't have sex with them.
At any rate, when I ran a straw poll the most common number of marriageable prospects reported by Mottizens was 1 or 2. (Reinforcing that I am some mix of immensely lucky and a slut with low standards) He only needs to find one woman into the idea out of the whole vast universe of people.
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