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You cannot honestly be attempting to claim that racial identity is not important to most black Americans of all socioeconomic classes.
I can.
More specifically I contest the words "most" and "all".
Oh boy.
I mean, this really is the central DR3tard article of faith. “Egghead white communists taught blacks to care about race. If it weren’t for them, black people would all be good old-fashioned American individualists.” It’s delusional. Sure, many middle-class blacks don’t go around screaming about race all the time. But I guarantee you most of them were raised, by their family members and not just by white liberal teachers, that their race and heritage are important. They’ve gotten “the talk” about how police can present a potential threat, and how they need to take extra care to put their best foot forward around white people, so as to not feed into stereotypes. When they see a news story about a black guy who got himself killed by police, there’s a little part of them that says, “That could have been me.”
You and guys like you are always smugly going on about how “PMC liberals” — your ever-present outgroup, whose machinations are directly responsible for every last bad thing in the world — don’t know what everyday, salt-of-the-earth black people are like, so they have to rely on the accounts of grifters pushing an agenda. (An agenda taught to them by, of course, PMC whites.)
But no, this is nonsense. We can see what black people are like and what they value not only by speaking directly to them — something which I’ve done thousands of times in my life — but also by observing their voting patterns, their choices of entertainment, the ways in which they choose to spend their private lives largely in the company of other black folks. They go to black churches, listen to black music (whether that’s hip-hop, or gospel, or Motown, or jazz), and watch black movies. They have a distinct culture, which tracks almost one-to-one with race, and they don’t see anything wrong with that. They’re not doing this for “identity politics”, or to get gibs from da white man, or because scheming communist white people are pulling their strings. It doesn’t mean they can’t productively interact with white people; many of them have white friends, or at least white coworkers. But they know who their people are, and their inner lives are directed primarily toward the betterment of their larger community. This is healthy and normal. It’s not a pathological behavior, and it’s not something “the PMC” taught them.
They aren’t responsible for literally everything that happens. But what they have is a set of objectively harmful luxury beliefs (for example identity politics), are insulated by their money from the consequences of those beliefs, and because they have much more time to be politically active, and have more money to throw to NGOs that say things they like to hear, they have an outsized influence on politics. It’s the “make middle class women clap” phenomenon that’s been going on for decades. Political leaders listen to them, artists listen to them, etc. because they have time and disposable income.
I don’t think they invented blacks or Hispanics caring about race. They’re minorities, and banding together to solve problems is simply how problems get solved when you don’t compromise the majority of your area. Hispanics do the same. The big difference is that until recently whites were a big enough majority in America and Western Europe that whites didn’t feel the need to do the same thing. Christians didn’t feel the need to band together before because they had a supermajority in elections and therefore their issues were dealt with. The reason so many here don’t like PMC liberals is that the issues that are brought up by whites and Christians are issues that PMCs oppose as backward and uncouth and so on, and they’re thus funding and working for groups that oppose white identity politics.
Do they ever
MacKenzie Scott, Bezos ex wife, used the gigantic Amazon divorce money she got to spend 16 BILLION dollars on hundreds of NGOs
These billionaires divorces are worse than Soros
Well yeah. It’s how politics works for the most part. For rich people it’s a sport and they have tons of free time and money to spend bankrolling things that they can brag about at dinner parties. And for the most part that’s all they care about. Palestinians are a popular cause because the Israelis on TV mostly look like Europeans, and the Palestinians are brown. Besides, saying Islam has a violence problem makes them feel bad.
Uhh, have you seen palestinians? While I'll grant you they're a shade browner than Israelis on average, this is a conflict where both sides could easily pass for Italians.
I find westerners in general really overestimate how dark Levantines are.
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No matter how much you might sneer at it, DR3 (ie "Democrats are the real Racists") remains objectivly true.
Who is the real retard then?
DR3 is absolutely not true. A legit white racist, especially in the South or Midwest, will almost always vote Republican. Democrats discriminate against white people, so no racially conscious white outside of weird online people will be convinced by the racism of the Democrats because this racism is directed against them.
What dr3 is saying is that paternalist racially conscious identity politics performed by the democrats is more racist than any republican, even the deep south caricature everyone imagines when you say racist. They dress it up in fancy language and performative compassion, but don't actually give a shit what happens to the community or what the people there think or want.
It is one hundred percent correct, but unlike its brother 'what if the positions were reversed' is a poor argument for right wingers because it assumes the progressive framing is correct.
No that’s not DR3. That’s a rationalists’ steel man of DR3. DR3 by standard conservatives is literally Democrats are the real racists and there’s essentially zero Republican racist and there have essentially never been any either.
Can you provide examples of this? Because I haven't seen it used that way, at least not in the past decade, and I have had to talk plenty of standard conservatives out of using it the rationalist way.
As we will discover in this book, progressive Democrats are in fact the inventors of racism and white supremacy, and the Republican Party fought them all the way. Progressives and Democrats were also the groups that were in bed with fascism and Nazism in the 1920s and 1930s, while Republicans opposed this cozy alliance. All the villains of the civil rights movement—Birmingham sheriff Bull Connor, Selma sheriff Jim Clark, Arkansas governor Orval Faubus, Georgia governor Lester Maddox, Mississippi governor Ross Barnett, Alabama governor and presidential candidate George Wallace—were Democrats.
So we have the remarkable spectacle today of the party of racism, fascism and white supremacy blaming the party of antiracism and resistance to fascism and white supremacy for being racist, fascist and white supremacist.
https://read.macmillan.com/smp/death-of-a-nation-by-dinesh-dsouza-excerpt/
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Assuming they’re racist against nonwhites, yes.
Well I’ve heard some pretty hot DR3 takes where they act like the Ku Klux Klan are woke SJWs. I got into an argument recently with a irl standard conservative that said if 1920s KKK came back they’d be Dems. I was like you think they would support the party of a half black, half Indian woman who supports laws discriminating against whites and he said yes. This is something you’ll see in main stream conservative discourse. They think there’s essentially zero white Republican racists and any that exist are Democrats. Just look on boomer conservative FB pages for anyone who doesn’t believe me.
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You didn’t even refute anything I said. Do you have specific evidence — even if it’s just anecdotal! — to demonstrate that what I’m saying is untrue?
My evidence is that of my own eyes.
I live in a decent sized southern city, and as fantastical as this may sound to the average mottizen such as yourself, black people are out there, right now, wearing clothes, driving cars, and running buisinesses as if they were human beings. While the streets are clean, and reasonably well maintained, and homelessness is rare.
Who are you to tell me that they aren't?
I was just in Louisiana for work and the black neighborhoods were absolutely terrible.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hGkOcuCvqeA&pp=ygUXTW9ucm9lIExvdWlzaWFuYSBnaGV0dG8%3D
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I mean his point isn’t that they aren’t doing those things, it’s that they have a very strong racial consciousness and sense of all non African races as being The Other
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Hoffmeister25 was just paraphrasing a very widely discussed Pew Research Finding and talking about the potential reason behind the non-controversial fact that "Black people care more about being Black than white people care about being white." There's an order of magnitude difference in the proportion of people giving the most extreme poll response.
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What an absurd comment!
Who ever said they aren’t? Certainly I didn’t! Do you believe that caring about racial identity is incompatible with wearing clothes, driving cars, and running businesses? I care about racial identity, and it doesn’t prevent me from having a job and wearing clothes!
Your comment is a complete non sequitur. I’m struggling to figure out what point you thought you were making.
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"I'll see your DR3, and raise you a DR4".
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