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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 23, 2024

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I really don't get some people's problem with DR3, unless you want to go full-MurdochMurdoch and say "No, goddammit, we are!"

Goofy IDW psy-ops like "the woke right" are a much bigger issue, and I don't see him participating in that.

DR3 is true but useless. Similar to how Republicans control "patriotism" the Dems are in firm control of defining who is or isn't racist, who is or isn't gay, etc. It's how Biden can get away with saying if you don't vote for him you aren't black, leftists saying Peter Thiel isn't really gay, etc. Doesn't matter if it's true because it has effectively zero effect on the median normie's perception of the issue.

What ever happened to "that which can be destroyed by the truth should be"

Oh I agree with that completely, and we should continue to proclaim the truth that Democrats are the real racists. But as a political and campaigning strategy etc. it's ineffective at best.

The falsehood that Dems are not racist hasn't been destroyed by the truth that they are, because they have enough cultural and other power to protect themselves from that truth.

The problem with DR3 is that pointing it out doesn't work. Normies won't believe it because the Democrats are the party of Not Being Racists no matter how racist they actually are.

Even if it's ineffective, "controlled opposition" sounds like he's someone working to ensure no one walks off the reservation. If that's the case, what is supposed to lie beyond DR3?

what is supposed to lie beyond DR3

Yes chadding and tactical minimization of the power of "racism" as a concept. When the enemy controls the plains you fight in the mountains.

No, the problem with DR3 is that “racism” isn’t a bad thing. Being aware of racial differences, and acting on that awareness, is an entirely healthy behavior within reason. If the Democrats were “the real racists” - meaning they were willing to openly acknowledge HBD and outline ways to address it - I’d be way more likely to vote for them.

If that's what it's about, than it's the last I want to hear of "buying into your enemies' framing". Noticing differences is not racism.

What do you think racism is?

A belief in inherent collective inferiority of a particular group, to the point of ignoring any individual characteristics that contradict that belief about the collective. Broadly, because I can imagine examples that aren't about inferiority, strictly speaking.

This seems like it’s designed to exclude basically every modern instantiation of what every racially-aware person today believes. Like, if you’re not a Madison Grant level “Africa begins at Calais” Nordicist TND advocate, you’re not a racist? What does “inferiority” mean in this context? What percentage of blacks do I need to believe are “exceptions to the rule” before I’m no longer a racist? (W.E.B. Dubois, one of the great black thought leaders in American history, spoke of “the talented tenth” of blacks needing to paternalistically care for the other 90% of them who are not cognitively capable of measuring up to Western civilization. Was Dubois racist against black people?)

What does “inferiority” mean in this context?

You asked a one line question, am I supposed to give you a doctoral dissertation with strict definitions, and guidelines on how to apply categorize each instance, or is a broad answer enough? Like I said it's not even strictly speaking about inferiority. If you want a "no blacks allowed, no matter what other hoops you jump through" club (which, by the sound of it, you do) that seems pretty straight-forwardly racist to me as well.

What percentage of blacks do I need to believe are “exceptions to the rule” before I’m no longer a racist?

This isn't going to work as an objection either. Remember that drama around "race norming" from the NFL, that Hlynka pointed "hey, isn't it weird that they're doing 'norming' at all, when they have individual-level IQ-tests"? It doesn't matter if you believe it's only 3% of blacks that are an exception to the rule, if you're against "race norming" you're not racist. It similarly doesn't matter if you think it's the 97% that are the exception to the rule (I know this is non-sense mathematically speaking, just go with it rethorically), if you're for "rece norming", you're still racist.

Like I said it's not even strictly speaking about inferiority.

Then what is it about? You’re talking in circles. I asked you what racism is, and you said it’s about believing in broad racial inferiority, except actually it’s not really about inferiority. Is it just about treating everyone as an atomized individual and consciously avoiding making probabilistic judgments about people given limited information?

If you want a "no blacks allowed, no matter what other hoops you jump through" club (which, by the sound of it, you do) that seems pretty straight-forwardly racist to me as well.

Can you articulate why?

It doesn't matter if you believe it's only 3% of blacks that are an exception to the rule, if you're against "race norming" you're not racist. It similarly doesn't matter if you think it's the 97% that are the exception to the rule (I know this is non-sense mathematically speaking, just go with it rethorically), if you're for "rece norming", you're still racist.

Your original comment said that noticing racial differences isn’t racist. Now you appear to be saying that actually it is.

I don’t think you’ve thought very deeply about this word, where it comes from, and why we should or shouldn’t use it.

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What does "ignoring any individual characteristics that contradict that belief about the collective" mean? If I meet a few Jews with short noses but don't change my belief that Jews collectively have longer than average noses, am I being racist?

No. But if you think Jews are collectively conspiring globohomo on the world, and you meet a few Jews who have devoted their lives to opposing globohomo at every step, and consider them sus because they're Jewish, that would be pretty racist. Contra @Hoffmeister25, I think that's a relatively common occurrence.