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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 29, 2024

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How morbidly fascinating that riots erupted in Ireland and the UK in the span of less than a year over exactly the same catalyst: a man of African descent stabbing one or more young native girls.

A North African Muslim (the Algerian immigrant in Ireland) and a Sub-Saharan Christian (the son of Rwandan immigrants in Wales) are profoundly not the same catalyst - a large part of the anti-immigrant sentiment in Western Europe (including the UK) is in effect single-issue anti-Islamic.

The rioting in the UK started because the rioters wrongly believed that the killer was Muslim and the crime was part of the unfortunately longstanding pattern of sexually motivated crimes against white girls by (mostly) Mirpuri Pakistanis. As with all riots, they spread because it looked like the police were off the ball and there were trainers to be looted.

I see where you're coming from, but I get the impression a lot of British anti-immigrant sentiment isn't strictly focused on Muslims e.g. a major motivating factor behind Brexit was to decrease the rate of immigration from Romania, or immigrants from Romani backgrounds, both of whom are primarily at least nominally Christian. Prior to Brexit, such people generally didn't require a visa or need to seek asylum.

I'd agree in one sense, but BAME is a grouping for a reason. Recent African immigrants might not all be Islamic, but it's still confusing what real utility they're offering when most of the UK's indigenous stock have their own grievances with the status quo.

A similar response from the media too, the attacker was described as an 'Irishman' because he had migrated from Algeria and attained citizenship. This fact itself was quickly overshadowed by the riots but I can see why it made people angry in the context of Irish men being told to stop being so misogynistic after the killing of Aisling Murphy by a migrant and Irish men being told they need to fix their homophobia problem after 2 gay men were beheaded by an Islamic migrant.

Happens in Germany, too, but we don't riot.

Whether it's a good tactic remains to be seen (I doubt this is very organised but it's going to have consequences nonetheless), Dubliners rioting alongside Protestant Loyalists in Belfast the past few days has given the left ammo to turn the accusation of 'traitor' back on to the anti-migrant nationalists.

Might be something you lot could consider looking into.

They are, in effect, an occupied country though.

We might, but we know better than to contradict our betters.

Eh, I'm not sure that's it. I think it's less that we refuse to contradict them, as that they've come to be in charge properly and so we don't attempt to hinder them. You may gripe about your orders but you still carry them out.

True enough. There is plenty of low-level bitching and "I sure know better than those ivory tower politicians", but nothing that would have any practical effect.

At risk of catching flak for being snarky/pithy, are your 'betters' in this case the authorities who Know Better, or the migrants who can Do No Wrong?

Depends slightly on whom you ask. There certainly are enough leftists who will tell you to defer to the greater wisdom of the migrants, who after all do not share in our German sins. But generally very much the authorities.

Almost certainly The Experts in Authority who Know Better- Southkraut has talked about this before, how the Germans never dispute the king's ministers even if they're elected.

It’s interesting in that in the end it had little or nothing to do with Islamism, shariah, terrorism or deliberate political or ideological action of any kind on the part of the migrants. Instead, it was seemingly primarily the consequence of dramatically higher rates of psychosis, schizophrenia and other severe mental illness in certain parts of the world.

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