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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 31, 2023

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Moron.

He could have ignored it and increased his chances of surviving, or he could have owned it and gone down with dignity.

Instead, he will go down as a cuck.

I suspect there's some other balancing act going on here.

Hanania doesn't need liberal approval or sympathy, nor could he possibly get it before all this anyway.

He does need to stay relatively acceptable to rich and powerful old boomer conservatives who control the media megaphones and purse strings and set the tone for where things are headed going forward within the shifting conservative movement, especially regarding public political priorities about legal matters (both in the Federal government and concerning cases conservative activists drag in front of the Supreme Court).

And old boomer conservatives are, I think, the only people left who overwhelmingly still cling to the rotting corpse of the old Reagan public settlement about race (namely, we all agree that racism is a truly awful thing, we legitimately believe in a goal of milquetoast equal opportunity, but we will also define racism such that it only applies to truly egregious acts by individual extremists that have nothing to do with almost anybody normal, and we'll likewise view it through a colorblind lens that also holds black Americans to the same standard as everyone else).

Fundamentally, on the ground (at least online), this settlement is over. If you're a younger male or traditional Christian or are white, you have been steeped in progressive activists salting the earth on this and related identity topics since, like, 2013, and so you've already acclimatized to the new reality, or for you this might be the only reality you've ever even known. "Racism" now means whatever it is that progressive activist networks say it means on any given day, and in turn it's just one more term of abuse hurled by self-aggrandizing partisans heavily steeped in conflict theory who want good zero sum things for their allies and bad zero sum things for you. And so it's no surprise to see conversation norms heavily shifting for younger conservatives, or the sorts of people who at the least are drawn to anti-woke discourse. Younger people who likely would've accepted the public moral legitimacy of the old Reagan settlement stop accepting the moral legitimacy of what has replaced it, and so all the guard rails come down.

I read an interview between Hanania and Chris Rufo the other day (IIRC), and Rufo was basically making something like this point - lots of old boomer conservatives are still very sensitive to how race is talked about, largely because they're insulated from all these changes out in the wild, and so he has to be quite delicate rhetorically about how he talks about race when trying to reach out to them. They can agree about policy goals, but the rhetorical frame that's required to convince them is quite different than what younger online anti-woke types would be receptive to.

This seems like I what I was getting at about a bit of a noble lie where we just ignore disparate outcomes.

One thing I’d add is a lot of the old agreements seem gone outside of race. Pride seems like the exact same thing where we had everyone can do what they want at home to now we teach pride in elementary school.

The right doesn’t want to come out and say they think homosexual lives are inferior. And that’s before we even get into the more extreme things being pushed.

Have you considered the possibility that this is sincere? That is, that he genuinely doesn't hold or like his past views?

Now every time someone attempts to discredit him by posting the huffpost article, someone else can post this in response, which'll take off some of the bite.

This seems like the right play to me.

Have you considered the possibility that this is sincere?

That would be the part that warrants the opening insult. "Oh no, I no longer hold hose views! If I apologize for the stuff I said pseudonymously, I'm sure that will clear things up" is extremely unwise.

Now every time someone attempts to discredit him by posting the huffpost article, someone else can post this in response, which'll take off some of the bite.

Or it won't. In fact there's no reason to believe that it will.

That would be the part that warrants the opening insult. "Oh no, I no longer hold hose views! If I apologize for the stuff I said pseudonymously, I'm sure that will clear things up" is extremely unwise.

That assumes he's looking to "clear things up" rather than to "tell the truth".

I always thought clearing things up involved telling the truth.

Your point is AFAICT that apologising is not incentivised by current cultural norms (or by the nature of his readership).

My point is that some people care more about honesty than incentives.

is extremely unwise.

Why? The way he put it doesn't really open him much to further attacks or attempts at pressuring further capitulation. The main negative to this, under my current model, is losing some people who'd prefer he was his former pseudonymous self, but I think these should generally have lower impact than the people that doing this could let him hold onto.

Or it won't.

It'll obviously vary by person?

Why? The way he put it doesn't really open him much to further attacks or attempts at pressuring further capitulation.

This is why. The way he put it is irrelevant, he will always be open to further attacks.

It'll obviously vary by person?

Yeah, but I don't think the kind of people who control access to mainstream gigs will be the kind of people who'll accept his apology and move on.

It legitimizes the concept that he is now tainted goods because he once held those views. The claim that X conservative (was) racist isn’t about racism, it’s about saying that he is tainted goods and thus no longer worth dealing with. He backs away and thus the attack was legitimate— he was (and for the left, the past isn’t over) racist therefore anyone who has anything to do with him catches racist cooties and nobody wants that. It’s like being asked if you have stopped beating your wife — all answers are wrong.

His target audience is not the left, and people'd believe the article written against him anyway if he tried radio silence.

The left side of the people he's losing by acknowledging weren't going to listen anyway—they'd believe the accusation, or they'd just not care for his political opinions. The main loss to his audience by doing this are people who a) couldn't read the huffpost well enough to be convinced it was Hanania or b) people who thought he was currently still basically Hoste, and are disappointed at the ways he is no longer.

He also doesn't concede anything in the present. He doesn't consider himself tainted goods. He's not going "yes, I'm secretly racist and bad, sorry about that." He's going "I used to be racist and bad, now I'm right and good," and doing it in a way that isn't subjecting himself to anyone's judgment but his own—it's not an entreaty but a declaration.

It matters for mainstream conservatives. They’re the ones most afraid of guilt by association, because most of them have professional careers to defend. And because he’s now tainted, he won’t get that audience, nor get invited to their platforms to speak or write.

Right, but the post should decrease, not increase, his taintedness.

Once you say "Yes, I was racist and bad, but..." nothing said after the but matters.

Maybe he's being completely sincere. It makes no difference. He's shown his enemies they can extract confessions through pressure, and shown his allies that there's no point defending him since he won't defend himself.

nothing after the but matters

You're generally right. I don't think he phrased it that way, though, which makes a difference.

He's shown his enemies they can extract confessions through pressure

They've only shown they can extract a confession (sort of) when it's all of a)something he himself is opposed to b)something that's so far outside societal norms that it's the sort of thing that could have serious effects on who'll associate with him, even among those on the right c) large in scope

Guess what. Now he's justified why he's still fine to listen to despite whatever past. Good luck finding another thing that meets all of a), b) and c), or even just a) and b).

You're generally right. I don't think he phrased it that way, though, which makes a difference.

It really doesn't. It's like a police interrogation. They get you to say it in a way where you think you're explaining yourself in a good light, but all that actually matters is what you admitted to.

Anything you say can and will be used against you. "My posts and blog comments in my early twenties encouraged racism" - you're done. That is a cudgel you will be beaten over the head with forever, and you can never take it back.

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It reminds me of what happened to Boris Johnson. What really did for him wasn’t just the string of scandals but wheeling people out to lie for him only for him to admit 10 minutes later that they were lying.

Doing this doesn’t just make Hannia look weak, it makes his supporters look like dupes.