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Black interracial marriages have the highest divorce rate, so maybe not a wise public policy
In fact, marriages between black women and white men have a substantially lower divorce rate in the US than between white women and white men.
The greatest predictor of divorce is whether a white woman is involved:
White woman + black man: more than twice the white/white divorce rate (wwdr)
White woman + asian man: 1,60 times the wwdr
Whereas white man + asian woman is at the wwdr and white man + black woman at half that.
https://www.healthymarriageinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/But-Will-It-Last--Marital.pdf
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Uh, does this break out african american vs african african women? Not hard for me to believe(given the paucity of such pairings) that most of the women are from africa blacks who have little in common culturally with AADOS, and despise them in any case.
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That is also a very rare coupling suggesting there is strong affinity between the two parties.
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Amazingly the version in which the median white person in the marriage is very likely to out earn the median black person.
I'm probably just tired but trying to figure out what you mean by this.
Presumably the implication is that marriage is most stable when the man out-earns the woman.
Let's be honest, there are dozens of possible confounding factors for these kind of statistics. Age-related effects, urban-rural divide, religiosity, socio-economic groups, ... I would need to see a really rigorous analysis before believing any specific claims like “interracial marriage causes higher/lower divorce rates”.
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I'll do the work. Here is what @MaiqTheTrue was saying:
Marriages where the male partner outearns the female partner are more stable. Whites tend to outearn blacks. So, all else being equal, a white male / black female pairing has an advantage since the male is more likely to outearn the female.
Note: I don't have stats to back this up, but on the surface it seems to make sense.
Yeah, but black men married to white women are definitionally not average, and marriage tends to raise men's wages.
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Is there data on the average age of marriage for these racial configurations?
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