zeke5123a
3d ago
How many BLM related violent events were there? What about the dude that gunned down five cops?
zeke5123a
3d ago
The world where money is thrown at a long of things that don’t take hold. Analogizing to plants misses the point entirely. Building organizations is not like growing a plant where you just need fertile soil and water. Many attempts at building organizations fail despite have moneyed interests backing them.
zeke5123a
3d ago
And on J6, a lot of the people were probably unaware of the violence or if they were opportunistically took a tour of the Capitol.
zeke5123a
3d ago
But even here, the other poster is confusing categories. He is confusing cold feet with a change of mind (he assumes the killer wants an out when I bet most killers don’t change their mind as much as get nervous).
zeke5123a
3d ago
This guy needs to be banned. He offers a stupid theory. He then insults people whilst focusing on minutia. He states views that are basically unfalsifiable. And, he implicitly justifies (though he denies it) murder (who the fuck would say that if Kirk was more “gracious,” the shooter wouldn’t shot unless they were tacitly explaining away the murder?)
zeke5123a
3d ago
Or you know the entire summer of love. Did they count the killing of the retired police chief? Did they count the felony murder of that child molester in the Rittenhouse self defense? How bout the massive amount of arson?
How about the attempted murder in Oregon when they tried to burn a courthouse with people in it or the literally days of sieges?
What about the people that died in CHAZ.
The dems love to bring up J6 but it all pales compared to the summer of love. Trying to claim right wing violence is more is facially absurd.
zeke5123a
3d ago
See BLM violence (the arson, the murder, the felony murder associated with Rittenhouse self defense, and the numerous beatings) which almost certainly dwarfs probably a decade of RW violence.
zeke5123a
3d ago
Learn to read — I didn’t bring up credentials. I’m an interlocutor.
Also moneyed interest thinks Harvard is impressive. You seem to crave that? Finally, Kirk built something at scale whereas Fuentes has not. That is more impressive. Your standards are weak.
zeke5123a
3d ago
Kirk is a college dropout. I’m not sure what you mean here.
This shows how out of touch your argument is. If someone took up palantir’s offer to skip college and that person kicked ass, I would say their credential (ie palantir’s stamp of approval) is a better credential compared to say Harvard.
Likewise, Charlie had the credential of running what seems to be an effective organization. The fact you only think in terms of degrees as credentials yet slam others for epistemological sloppiness…my god you cite LessWrong. Do you know about Big Yud?
zeke5123a
3d ago
This is comparing like with unlike. There is a general right for citizens to work; there is no non citizen generalized right to travel to the U.S.
zeke5123a
3d ago
Stop trying to justify murder. Kirk could be ungracious in talking about trans people. There is a trans problem (and indeed trans is an incoherent absurd belief). But even if you disagree, killing isn’t the way to do it.
I’m sure you’ll protest “but I’m not excusing the murder.” Yet you said you believe Kirk would be alive if he had been more gracious. Quoting for the full paragraph.
“Not convinced? Okay, notice when the shot happened: Tyler specifically waited for Kirk to badmouth transpeople before firing his shot. In fact, I'll go so far as to speculate that if Kirk had been gracious in his response, the Tyler may not have even shot at all.”
zeke5123a
3d ago
But it wasn’t a random person being killed — it was a person a number of people labeled a fascist. So we are to believe he was using catch phrases that map to his target (per target’s enemies) but that was happenstance and instead he just was crazy?
zeke5123a
4d ago
How do you explain “catch this fascist” and that he apparently was living (maybe romantically) with a mtf trans person who provided discord info?
zeke5123a
5d ago
Yeah that wasn’t the felony case. Interestingly, if you read the opinions the majority would’ve tossed the Supreme Court (lowest court in NY). However, they couldn’t agree on whether to remand or decide the case. In the interest of moving the case up to court of appeals (highest court in NY) one judge concurred.
zeke5123a
5d ago
Agreed—based on the leftist avowed view they ought to celebrate this murder. Which is why, similar to when Trump was shot, it’s clear that many left leaders don’t truly believe the fascist claims they make. And of course it’s bullshit. Charlie wasn’t a fascist. Trump is at “worst” a very poor man’s Pinochet.
Personally I long for a Salazar (only way to fix our country) but won’t get one.
zeke5123a
5d ago
That seems more likely an explanation after the fact; not one during the moment. If my timeline is right, they didn’t know if Kirk was dead.
These are the same Dems that booed a kid with cancer. Also, the story doesn’t hold—did the republicans block attempts to hold prayer for the Colorado kids? For a fallen member? Why would this hill be the one you want to fight on? My guess is again the Dems realized afterwards how ghoulish it was and they made some shit up.
zeke5123a
5d ago
Again their caucus shouted down an attempt for a moment of prayer. That was their visceral reaction. Sure people like AOC had a more polished answer after the fact (though used it to support apparently complete gun control). But…I think it’s bullshit.
zeke5123a
5d ago
The most obscene version of the heckler veto was exercised and instead of being condemned it was rationalized.
I don’t disagree (ie do t leave your keys in your convertible with the roof down).
The difference I see it is (1) the poster called Kirk a bigot and (2) used the word graciously. The latter has a connotation of being good and well mannered. The opposite is bad and uncouth. So the poster is saying “if Kirk wasn’t a bigot and didn’t do this bad thing, then he’d be alive.”
That strikes me as categorically different than “if Kirk didn’t give his view, then he’d be alive.”
The first is value laden to suggest Kirk maybe it had it coming. The second is purely descriptive
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