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Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
4hr ago
It's not true, I'm South Asian. It's extremely common for South Asian women to begrudgingly marry a guy of the same ethnicity whilst being in a fairly serious relationship with a white guy.
Just because it’s extremely common for SEA doesn’t mean it’s not extremely extremely common for EA.
You and SerialState may both be right.
MaiqTheTrue
Renrijra Krin
4hr ago
Exactly. What’s weird about democrats is that they spend so much time and energy to reach out to people who already agree with them and are already going to “vote blue no matter who”. It’s just a stupid idea. Even if you win, you’re winning the converted. If you wanted to astroturf, going for a neutral to semi hostile media network might convince a Trump voter or two.
MaiqTheTrue
Renrijra Krin
5hr ago
Honestly I don’t think this is just the foreign affairs people, it’s becoming endemic to most PMCs through the creeping credentialism promoted by university. There’s a large and growing population of people— most of them college graduates— who think that unless you have studied a topic in a college classroom, you cannot have possibly learned it. No, you cannot just read the Western canon and understand it. No, you cannot possibly learn philosophy without a lecture hall. No, you don’t understand math or statistics until you have gotten college credits.
I find the whole notion doubly ridiculous. First because people have self educated for hundreds of years, and it used to be the standard. Abraham Linchpin taught himself law by reading law books. Most of his peers did the same thing. And it wasn’t just law. If you wanted to run a business, you taught yourself accounting, and so on. Books, video, internet and other sources are much more available now than ever before, and any determined person can teach themselves just about anything they want to. They might have to work a bit harder than their peers who get spoon fed readings and practice sets, but in return, they will absolutely know their stuff as they aren’t studying for a test (and going to forget it afterwards) but trying to learn and understand it.
But much more importantly, I see a lot of ignorance in college grads that make me doubt the process does anything more than what they did in high school on most topics. They don’t actually understand the outside world. They don’t understand that electric cars are plugged into the electrical grid and thus would cause whatever types of pollution that our current electric grid causes. They don’t know anything concrete about other countries. Gays for Palestine is a joke that’s been told a million times, but it’s true, they don’t know what Islam has to say about LGBT rights. They don’t know the whole history of the conflict or why Jews went to Palestine in the first place. They cannot find Ukraine on an unlabeled map, nor do they know anything about its population, industry, minerals, or strategic importance. They have no idea why Russia wants it, nor the history of the region. Go down the list and it’s just amazing how the education that’s supposed to make you a better citizen of the country and the world produces a population with strong opinions but no knowledge.
Astranagant
5hr ago
The rap is mostly, from my experience, a consequence of outsourcing. The Pajeet frustration comes from three things:
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I'm having a problem with my internet connection. I ring up my ISP, who have outsourced their call centre to India because it's cheaper. I now have to deal with someone who barely speaks English, in an incomprehensible accent, and who cannot for any reason deviate from the script in front of them to actually deal with my problem because they don't have the language command needed to go off script. This is not a Good Experience.
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I'm at work. A large part of our project has now been outsourced to India, because it's cheaper. I now have to deal with the same lack of English as before, but this time I'm chasing them up for deliverables. I ask if the work has been done. Pajeet says yes it has, of course it has. I ask where it is and can I have it. Pajeet says actually no it hasn't been done, he's very sorry and he'll get it done right now. Why do they just lie about things which will get exposed instantly?!?! This is not a Good Experience either.
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The third thing is, of course, all the fucking scammers.
Anecdotally as well, the only time I, a (kind of feminine) male, have ever been sexually harassed by a man was in a hotel in Paris, by an Indian porter, in a lift, and he also smelled like actual shit. I know that's just an anecdote, but it makes me more willing to believe the stories of others.
mrvanillasky
5hr ago
That's a great way of thinking about it. India and China aren't that different though I'd bet some money that India probably has worse median iq but more outliers than China perhaps.
Regardless being dirt poor is a death sentence. I can't expect people who live in a mudhut on 100 dollars a month to be able to afford meals, otoh Bhutan isn't that much more prosperous but is cleaner so maybe the government fucked up here.
English is a major reason why there are way too many migrants in North America , UK and Australia (the continent) who are Indian as the language is why the initial wave started going there and not Russia.
mrvanillasky
5hr ago
Indian Americans have a higher median income because of being exclusively urban people in mega towns, their median incomes compared to other ethnicities in the same environments is the same.
Yeah, Pakistanis align with other Muslims and British Indians are people who I suspect are far more cautious than American ones due to smaller population sizes.
I don't think so, Indian guys have a terrible image unfortunately due to various reasons, at least around girls. You also have a decent amount of variation, so you can have people who can be fairly dark with very southern features (look up rajendran) to someone slightly paler (Shiney Ahuja). Most people are on the left hand side.
India came about due to aryans and dravidians, so lighter skin, hair, height, not very southern features are quite prized here, people blame the brits for this but that's just false. In south Indian movies, the actresses are mostly girls who are from the north and don't look like the locals at all, in the north, the actresses are still from the north but still don't look like the locals at all.
incognitomaorach
5hr ago
This is a legacy of the majority of British-Indians pre-2010 being relatively highly educated, often very highly educated, and generally well acclimatised. There were teething issues of course- black and white skinheads would team up to do a bit of 'paki bashing' that usually targeted brown people indiscriminately.
But 1 in 6 British Indians were of East African extraction (read, middleman minority) as late as 2001, with the remainder being largely merchant-class Gujaratis. Essentially the same stereotype and class of people as Indians in America.
These positive feelings will soon fade with the latest Boriswave. Vast numbers of single men working as deliveroo drivers do not a model minority make. Anecdotally, my 2nd Gen British-Indian friends used to mock and make fun of "freshies" (fresh off the boat people) for being crude, uneducated etc. when in reality most of them were visiting accountants from Bombay. Those mocking comments have largely stopped as I think they see that the the new wave of Indian migrants do fit all the stereotypes. An interesting dynamic to say the least. I don't see the positive attitude lasting, and I think sooner rather than later the 2nd and 3rd gen British Indians will get over their semi-ethnic solidarity and realise that these new arrivals are giving them a bad name, and advocate for their removal. Braverman/Patel gave this rhetoric at least, although their actions are questionable. Due to these largely being single men with unstable employment, they should be easy to remove with a bit of willpower. Not the same dynamic as established families and communities.
mrvanillasky
5hr ago
It's not true, I'm South Asian. It's extremely common for South Asian women to begrudgingly marry a guy of the same ethnicity whilst being in a fairly serious relationship with a white guy.
Colorism is insane here, I'd be significantly less attractive had I had darker skin and more typical south Asian features. No one discusses this even privately unless drunk.
Crowstep
6hr ago
Anti-Indian sentiment within the Anglosphere seems mostly confined to Canada and the UK, increasing in the former noticeably in the last few years because of the enormous ongoing immigration wave and diplomatic disputes over the relict Khalistan movement-in-exile. Indian-Americans are a cut above most other immigrant groups as far as education, income, and general "merit" go, even compared to Indians in other countries, so they don't tend to draw a lot of flak.
Attitudes towards Indians are similarly positive in the UK, for the same reason. They are rich, well-educated, law-abiding. Like the Chinese they are considered model immigrants and usually vote Conservative.
Pakistanis are less popular, for reasons.
SerialStateLineXer
6hr ago
The oxford study results paint a grim picture for East Asians where it states that women of east asia are more likely to prefer dating people of other races with whites being highest rated, I would argue that the subcontinent and south-east Asia has the similar issues
The silver lining, for South Asian men, is that white men generally aren't nearly as attracted to South Asian women as to East Asian women.
Interesting, I think this is an Anglo thing? In the US Asian Indians are the top earning ethnicity, even wealthier than jewish ethnicity, and many tech CEO/managers are Indian. And in the UK the Tories get the Hindu vote, because they are richer than Muslim Pakistanis, and Rishi Sunak (who is upper class himself) was Prime Minister. Doesn’t this give social status? In Central Europe I think the stereotype is mildly positive/exotic, but there are not many Indians around.
sohois
7hr ago
I think negative sentiment towards Indians can be narrowed down to one dominant factor: the English language.
Indians are, what, 1 in 6 people on the planet? In the past this number didn't mean much as the vast majority rarely leave their home country, but the internet and outsourcing means you have a much greater chance to encounter Indians. The thing is, India's cultural issues and level of social niceties are no worse than any other developing nation. China has many of the same problems, with a vast underclass of people that have awful hygiene and manners, a massive scam industry, nepotism and dishonesty, and even the "incel" characteristics that are ascribed to indians can be found in many Chinese men.
But people will very rarely encounter Chinese people because they don't speak English. There are no Chinese call centres, and while there are plenty of English language Chinese scammers you are still much more likely to get a call from an Indian. And on the internet, the Chinese are essentially banned from many of the most popular Western sites, while Indians will likely soon become the majority on places like facebook, reddit, youtube, and tiktok. The majority of the time an average Westerner is encountering someone from China will be Chinese tourists, and they have a godawful reputation.
Here
7hr ago
Why? Because she is a recent convert to the Republican party, or are there other concerns with her?
sohois
7hr ago
Nothing speculated on by 4chan users is a "known phenomenon". It's just pattern matching and confirmation bias.
spring
safe, legal torment nexuses
8hr ago
I finally finished The Night Land. Hodgson's imagination is certainly prodigious and it's easy to see why his ideas have been so influential, but The Night Land has very little to offer a casual reader. The patience is takes far outweighs the payoff. Doubtless I wouldn't have finished it if I wasn't determined to explore the full breadth of the dying earth genre. More than any other book I have read is it deserving of an abridged version. Such a version wouldn't abridge so much as it would jettison chapters whole, and the book would be better for it.
mrvanillasky
8hr ago
yep, mtf trans people report a higher sex drive universally which is why I could not believe it.
orthoxerox
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8hr ago
They are hornier than you think and way hornier than you
They might be hornier than they have been socialized to be, but I sincerely doubt women are hornier than men on average. There are lots of studies that show that men watch more porn, want more sex, have more sex when it's man-on-man than women when it's woman-on-woman.
VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
9hr ago
Probably because they need to actually pass a technical interviews to get in rather than just being able to con their way through informal interviews.
This has been my experience in (non-FAANG) engineering, although most of the South Asian ancestry engineers I've worked with have been citizens or at least permanent residents that studied at good schools in the US, so it's probably not a representative sample of the space. I've had no real complaints about working with them, and many have been quite talented and motivated.
DradisPing
9hr ago
The problem with the values side is the values aren't really verifiable. The homeland of a people side feels under threat in large part because many of the people coming in aren't expected to believe in meritocracy, free speech, or any of that.
Take the example of Judge Chutkan. Her parents left Jamaica and brought her to the US because they were too hardline communist for the communists of Jamaica.
The Dems appointed her to be a DC judge precisely because she has weak cultural ties to the US and can't be shamed into following traditional American legal norms. Appeals to democratic traditions and rights just fall flat on her, she just hates her political enemies.
Republican voters see her in charge of the DC Trump trial and loose all faith in values based immigration.
Oh and it's a big lie that H1-Bs go to "highly educated foreign professionals". Sure decent chunk do. But they are randomly selected from the pool of applicants that have the correct paperwork, so there are significant abuses.
For instance here are H1Bs granted to a hog farming company: https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=murphy-brown+llc&job=&city=&year= Median Salary is $40768.
For H1Bs you need to match the prevailing local wage, so a lot of shops set up in a poor city, and pay their employees well below the normal national wages.
https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=wipro+limited&job=&city=&year=all+years
Sort by salary low to high.
As a fix for H1Bs I've long argued that they should award them based on base salary instead of the current random. It'd fix problems.
2rafa
9hr ago
It’s more likely to be Pakistanis and Arabs who are frequently racist toward Indians online. So much of this more vulgar racist posting on boards and in social media comments is perpetuated on all sides by non-Westerns.
2rafa
9hr ago
Many born Hindus do accept Hare Krishnas as Hindu iirc, it’s more that western observers see it as kind of a new age cult because of the audience it attracted in the 1960s (and still does today to some extent). But ISKCON is descended from some 15th century strand of “real Hinduism” via Krishnaism, part of the Vaishnavist collection of Hindu denominations.
Templexious
9hr ago
Intriguing!
I admit to being skeptical of the persistent "the establishment is always after me!" cries that seem to be more and more frequent.
mrvanillasky
9hr ago
Lol, I got downvoted to oblivion today when I criticised public denial of holocaust. I am not a rabid zionist, publicly being anti-semitic is terrible optics.
yeah, /pol, /b and /hc in particular are impossible to watch, they just became trash overnight and have not reverted back since. Also is your name a sam hyde reference or a dark knight rises reference?
I have no idea how any of that stuff would be in Israel’s geopolitical interest
Peter Hegseth seems more patriotic than residents of jerusalem. No comments lol.
When I was in secondary school, I bought Charles Burns's comic book Black Hole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hole_(comics)), a wonderfully trippy and surreal fusion of body horror, coming-of-age story and 70s nostalgia. It's over 350 pages long, but I found it so absorbing that I read the entire thing in one sitting of maybe 3-4 hours. I read it again maybe two years ago and found it just as good the second time, if not better.
I recently happened across his latest book Final Cut in a bookshop and snapped it up. Last night I read the first chapter. Man's still got it. It revisits a lot of the same motifs as Black Hole: I think it's set in the seventies or possibly the eighties, it's very dreamy and surreal and there's some body horror. But this time it's in colour. I'm sure I'll have devoured the whole thing before the end of the week.
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