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We've gone from 'blacks' to 'leftists'. But that's rather besides the point, which would be to answer the question Adams supposedly thinks is being asked: Do black people in America like white people? I'd guess that a 50/50 split on the question is not beyond the realms of reason.
If we remove this question from the 'black' context and put it in a 'leftist' context then I think the red herring of 'white supremacist dog whistles' becomes even more clear. Western leftism has an entire doctrine specifically dedicated to verbalizing the hateful otherization of white people and everything that relates to them. I would hazard closer to a 80/20 split with the majority harboring wild anti-white sentiments.
Is my intuition completely off here?
I wouldn't be surprised if a fair number of blacks in the US bore resentment against whites, although that's based on a general feeling I get from media and pop culture rather than any hard evidence. Either way I just find it ill-advised to take "almost half of blacks disagree with a statement much of the mainstream media has continually claimed to be a coded message of support for white supremacy" to mean "almost half of blacks form a hate group against whites."
As for leftists, there is certainly a widespread acceptance of casual anti-white sentiments among the mainstream left, something that isn't mirrored on the mainstream right with anti-minority sentiments. That said, I think most far leftists do not hate white people to anywhere near the degree that many far rightists hate their disfavoured racial groups.
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No way in hell do 80% of leftists hold wild anti-white sentiments. Maybe 80% of the most terminally online activists? Even then, you are seriously underestimating how many people hold boring, milquetoast beliefs. Hating whites is not normalized to that level.
I will try to find sources once I’m off work.
How would you categorize "NYT picks" like this? Iirc it was one of the top votes comments on the article, and that was in 2017 before the recent swing towards anti-white hostility Zach Goldberg has been documenting
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It's my experience that most pride-flag flying liberals will say insane things like this when they think there'll be no pushback, because it's simply what they've been told all their lives. And mind this is about all white people, and can't be excused as just targeting "bad whites" of lower castes.
I'd categorize everything about it as luxury signaling, and expect it to fold like a cheap tent when faced with any real-world decisions. Look how wishy-washy he is on any actual policy: all the better for garnering polite applause. I'd also put most of the people involved in the extremely, if not terminally, online category.
that was what it was said about SJW in campuses all around the US.
I suspect the stakes simply haven't been raised enough. If it were to come down to dire circumstances like either of the World Wars, where food is tight and industrial nations are reduced to stamping crude submachine guns out of sheet steel, then luxury beliefs will have to be outcompeted at some point.
It depends what belief is true luxury.
For example, in the most dire circumstances imaginable, proletarian internationalism was put onto the back seat, but socialism, party and great leader stayed and were doubled and quartupled down.
It worked.
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In a rational world I would agree; but I don't think anything will trump ideology but a BIG fat pile of corpses in this case, just like with the soviets.
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I more or less agree with your reading. And I'll add "harboring" to the list of confusing terms, because I read it as pretty active endorsement, but parsing it as "tolerating" is much more plausible. On the other hand, dilute it too much, and all of us on this sub are harboring such beliefs for daring to talk about them...
I think a lot of this tolerating happens at a reflexive level, like most forms of social signaling. And that when pressed to actually think instead of repeating a slogan, most people will retreat to the motte. Compare "eat the rich" for socialists: the more you press, the more a normal supporter moves from free helicopter rides to progressive taxation.
Signaling is always cheap, and anti-white signaling is on sale right now. I don't like it. But the real test of beliefs is what one does rather than says. I think your <3% number is a lot more realistic than 80%.
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Kendi's most famous book - How To Be an Antiracist - actually mentions anti-white hatred as one of the types of racism to be opposed, which of course would be far cry from whatever the Five Percenters were saying.
Kendi also advocates for a fourth branch of government superior to the others, explicitly staffed by 'anti-racism experts' (him and his friends) and tasked with preventing all racism. His popularity among Democrats should be alarming.
True,
but irrelevant to the topic at hand.Based on the example below, Kendi is not an example of the hardline progressive position on race. He is not, for example, willing to argue that racism = power + prejudice.
[EDIT] - nope, lost my place in the thread. I would agree that it's straightforwardly true that Kendri is well past anything resembling a reasonable position. He is absolutely an ideological extremist of the sort that must be kept from power at any cost.
He means any policy that disproportionnately affects blacks in the 'blacks less likely' sense, ie, normal policy, as opposed to his Ministry of Gibs. An easy supermajority of whites are racists according to his definition. He's only not particularly extreme because the mainstream left is hardline already.
On the one hand, he's definately an extremist. On the other hand, there are certainly people significantly more extreme than he is still inside the apparent Overton Window, and with appreciable power and influence. Also, while acceding to his demands would be an prompt-critical disaster, it seems to me that most of what he's interested in demanding in terms of actual policy, we've already done. We have racial quotas, we've largely crippled law enforcement, we've enacted pervasive and effective censorship, so I'm not sure you're right that a supermajority of whites are racist by his definition. A good portion of whites would see nothing wrong with cheering him on. As you say,
I doubt that would absolve them of racism in his eyes, the whole spiel is about perpetually dangling that carrot. Perhaps @Stefferi can prove me wrong.
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Uh huh. So you guys both swear I won't find him denying anti-white racism is a thing, in the paragraph after conceding the concept is theoretically possible, or things that would sound straightforwardly racist if the races were reversed, right?
Again, it's a whole chapter in his book, argued at length and referring straightforwardly to his own life in an embarrassing sense (as I said, the whole book is structured like some sort of an confession at length, a personal casting out of the sins of racism in Kendi's own personal life). He could have just as easily not written the chapter, and I suspect few would be any the wiser; considering how few people in general I've seen who have even noted that Kendi has a chapter on anti-white racism, expect for lazy dunks about the fact that he mentions his college-era belief in NoI crap in this chapter (precisely in the self-confessional sense), I doubt that many people have even bothered to read the book in even a cursory way, whether supporters or opponents.
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He's got a whole chapter about the concept in the book. It's not exactly a hard book to obtain, you can indeed evaluate it yourself. Undoubtedly your average Motte-poster would still disagree with much of what he says in the chapter, since he is still a leftist, but he quite specifically talks of anti-white racism as an existing thing and lists multiple ways in which he says it's harmful.
And so on. It's not a particularly good book, in my opinion, but it's still a good exercise to read to know what the specific claims are.
The particular chapter actually got a bit of press since he detailed his momentary youthful, college-era belief about the NoI Yaqub thesis and the idea that melanin gives you superpowers and whatever as examples of anti-white racist beliefs that he believes it is good that he got rid of, which, at the very least, shows that he thinks it is more than theoretically possible to be an anti-white racist.
Big "Kill the Indian, save the man" energy there.
The entire book kind of has that energy, though - with the caveat that it's mostly speaking about Kendi killing the Indian in himself. The whole book is basically about Kendi telling how he had this and this and this racist or problematic belief (anti-white racism, colorism, anti-immigration, sexism, transphobia) and how he got better, with the ideological content then branching off from these personal anecdotes.
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Good info. I would have bet the same as the others, having never read the text in question.
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Hate is an irrational dislike. But to an average lefist, their anti-white views are justified by the oppression they seemingly perpetuate(d). Depending on where you stand on the oppression question, it’s either hate or not. Consider the milquetoast belief ‘racism is still a problem in america’ – meaning anti-black racism, of course. This isn’t a bilateral call for understanding, there’s a victim and a villain. If the villain thinks he’s innocent, it looks like a slanderous accusation has been made up to justify hate, blood libel type. To the believer otoh his dislike and mistreatment of the villain is fair and just, and denies deeper causal feelings. Applies to all oppression narratives, such as feminism =? manhating .
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No. That's my intuition as well.
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