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PaperclipPerfector  3d ago (text post)   2255 thread views

Small-Scale Question Sunday for January 5, 2025

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I won't defend Kulak, but c'mon man.

I hope you can see how gangs of men raping tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of girls in horrific ways is bad.

Your crime stop is trying to justify or contextualize this disgusting abuse and dismissing it as racism. That's the exact reason why the crimes kept happening, how the victims' cries for help were ignored, and how the perpetrators were given comically low sentences (when they were tried at all). The smug attitude of people like you directly led to thousands of children being raped. No, these "low human capital" girls were not going to get raped anyway. What an insane thing to think.

Furthermore, you seem to have no awareness of the scope of the problem. For one, it wasn't just Rotherham.

Being jealous of your tribe's women is not exactly racism - it does not require ascribing any particular qualities to the people who take them other than that they are outsiders. Racism could then be used to rationalise why you find it bad that they get with a member of the outgroup rather than a member of the ingroup you have no particular relation to, but that's not what I was insinuating or talking about.

Furthermore, you seem to have no awareness of the scope of the problem. For one, it wasn't just Rotherham.

He was the one who started to talk about Rotherham. I'll admit I did not know about the number of other similar cases (I had only heard of one smaller one) until looking just now, though "hundreds of thousands" still seems unrealistic. (I'd guess maybe 50k as an upper bound for the last 40 years, which seems to be the time window over which the published counts run. Adding up numbers from all the cases I could find on Wikipedia gives about 10k total.)

Meanwhile, in the Savile case, Wikipedia cites the police as talking about 450 alleged sexual abuse victims, and allegations and semi-open discussion of it date back to the '90s. A particular paragraph goes

In 2007, Savile was interviewed under caution by police investigating an allegation of indecent assault at the now-closed Duncroft Approved School for Girls near Staines, Surrey, in the 1970s, when he was a regular visitor. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) advised there was insufficient evidence to take any further action and no charges were brought.[11] In 2012, it was reported that staff at the school had not been questioned about the allegations at the time.[28] A former headmistress of the school said she had been "hoodwinked" by Savile,[29] but described some of those who had brought the allegations as "delinquents".[30][31]

which really sounds quite similar - and this was apparently going on for some 50 years and only was made part of the public record after his death. Between the circumstance that apparently a single person can perpetrate abuses of this scale unreported, the Epstein/royalty connections, other European high society cases such as Dutroux in Belgium, and the little contacts I had into the chav stratum of British society (back when I was a kid making friends in MMORPGs) and stories of sugar-daddy dating I heard from there, I can absolutely believe that a big portion of those teenagers and kids would have just been groomed by somebody else.

He was the one who started to talk about Rotherham.

No he was not. Elon Musk made it the topic du jour and we had a top level post about it before Kulak posted his screed.

We had a couple users who would bring it up every couple months long before that. Kulak might have been one of them.

It happened in large parts of north England and for over two decades, to the point where there are books about it. Every sane person would want a lot more than just mass deportations here. My reply also clarifies how this is worse than the the Jimmy saville issue.

The people doing thus are explicitly doing it out of racial and religious angst. Islam allows subcontinent dwellers to get away with crime. Even today, most news media won't touch it, most politicians simply pretend to ignore it and pajeet mullahs from a country that's pajeet even for India are ether gloating about it or diverting attention if they are simply not quiet so that this passes over.

Kulaks not wrong to want violence, he's wrong to call for it as the state just wants a way to simply label you as a stereotype. Jim of Jim's blog has some good takes, some psychopathic ones, I earlier commented on how women don't always enjoy rape (surprise surprise) as they purposefully don't visit unsafe places, India lost tourists because it has a rapey image, Pakistan has no tourists at all compared to Thailand for the same reasons. It's not just ntr or criminals being hot, it's simply the state telling people "fuck you, you can't do much and if you fight, we'll do you even worse".

After all, if you can justify reperations, why should policing and then by extension women not be left unchecked? You've had similar calls for women as reperations in my nation so my point is brought up so elucidate that such trains of thought do exist within many. I might be wrong and may regret writing this however. Double standards are universal, they don't stop just at uni admissions.

I don't want to be culture war ish but this is where we are at. Richard Spencer regrets his alt right time because one bad incident was enough, it took him 8 years to see similar memes come back to life due to a thermidor. The central nation states ability to conduct violence and the civilians being toothless with a police and armed forces ready to shoot you isn't a pretty situation.

Small correction: "reperations" should be "reparations".

not wrong to want violence, he's wrong to call for it

Ideally it would happen organically.

The men of 1915 Atlanta organized a "Vigilance Committee" for the rape and murder of one girl, to see the perpetrator hanged.

Vigilante hangings were really having a cultural moment in that time period.

This is not a good thing.

Uh, vigilante hangings in the south had been a big thing for a while, and ended because the law managed to crack down on criminals enough that it wasn’t viewed as needed. It wasn’t some sort of fad; the republic of Texas had a civil war over the practice, although it gets lost in the history books for ‘also being at war with the commanches and Mexico simultaneously’ reasons.

There was a bit of a spike circa 1915. Noisy, yes, but there are a couple obvious suspects. I think it’s fair to describe the Second Klan as a cultural moment.

For reasons discussed previously, I think OP’s choice of Leo Frank is pretty disingenuous.

I concurrently believe that 1) Leo Frank was a pedophile who deserved to hang, and the actions of the klan in defending an innocent black man are a rare mark in their favor and 2) wanting to talk about Frank all the time is probably not motivated by sincere interest in justice practices in 1910's Georgia. So no disagreement about that.

Lynching was definitely A Thing which has been a feature of the south since there was a cultural region identifiable as the south; describing the second klan as a cultural moment is fair, referring to a bump in lynchings concurrently with the great war is probably fair, but referring to lynchings as a cultural moment is not.

No?

I'd think it serves to both punish the wicked and level set expectations for prosecutions.

If corruption is preventing the administration of justice the city needs a Vigilance Committee.

I both agree with you about the seriousness of this particular crime (or category of crime) and disagree about Kulak’s sincerity. As others noted, he was demanding rivers of blood for causes as diverse as vaccine mandates, kids required to go to school, the existence of the state and various other things for years before this. It’s easy to conclude that it’s not about the issue, it’s about the guy.

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