Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
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Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
1d ago
I really wonder how they decide where to advertise. Like it cant be too political an audience, but it cant be uninterested in it either.
Im saying that such a system wouldnt lose much stability from not having one. It can still have one anyway for any number of reasons. (I also think Britain is a bad example of a parliamentary system, it doesnt have coalitions often, propably because of FPTP - but thats not related to the deep state either.) @anti_dan
Elections can be called early when a majority of the current parliament wants to. Since votes are zero-sum, it doesnt happen often that a majority thinks theyll gain. So they can change more often, but I dont see why they actually would, including a working one.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
1d ago
If they can, but do not because the people are not so fickle... well, we're clearly not in that situation.
It certainly seems possible that after seeing one or two back and forths, they are more willing to meet in the middle and make small changes. But your options arent exhaustive: going back to my first comment, parliamentary systems change less often, and the new coalition will generally share one party with the old. Obviously youre not going to adopt that so fast either, but it shows there are other options. Maybe MAD diplomacy between the parties can work... etc. Obviousy an unelected ideology (same or new) is also a possible outcome.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
1d ago
Well that was a lot to read.
since they seemed to pull in whatever slipped through tumblr at a given time
What else do you have in mind? I dont remember anything about the hemisphere thing being tumblr.
quadrobics
I used to do this as a kid. Not sure why I stopped, but I just tried it again after reading this and didnt like it.
But a lot of it's probably just trained or learned: too much falls outside of the space of things that non-furs do.
This guy does not understand how visual similarity works in his interpretation, and even in the extended version linked there does not tell us the ratio between the three face types presented. I dont know how you evaluate him, but consider this a Gellman warning.
(or Undertale)
Dont remember that.
These people aren't making a REVURN argument
Well no; as per the author animal remnants are partial, and more importantly there isnt one coherent shape but lots of over- and underdetermining ideas (understanding this even though he? propably doesnt listen to criticism in any way was a positive sign for me), so thats not really something you can RETVRN to, but he does seem to think its something worth fitting yourself into better (into the version applying best to you personally, which as per above may vary significantly).
a political sphere that's happy to draw territorial exceptions
Not sure if this makes sense outside my head, but I think one reason body modification may be more accepted than the Gadsden flag is because the former is arational. Pure preferences are beyond justification or the need for it, but the flag has real content that may be "wrong"/subject to criticism. Theres an analogous thing where True Liberals have an easier time justifying medical transition than pronouns, reversed from what normies or the trans people themselves would consider extreme.
nevermind its contradiction to the likely usable points.
I dont know which contradiction.
The extent any specific position can switch be switched out for today's goals is... not encouraging, and the Zizians show exactly why, but it's also not a failure mode specific to them, or their political allegiance, or to their specific political fight.
Dont understand this either, not sure how much the typo is to blame.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
1d ago
I think youve somehow got the idea Im an enemy, and interpret me as arguing under that goal. I think Im on your side, but what Im saying here doesnt particularly help either.
It was giving reasons the swings aren't viable.
It also says when they are not viable, and I dont think these situations are inescapable. Your incompatibility is true only if theres nothing that can reduce the frequency of flips, other than an unelected ruling ideology. Im open to critique of democracy, but I dont find this one convincing.
Look, theres been a few democracies in the world and as far as I know none of them ever had this problem where they ran the state into the ground because they flip-floped every election. It just doesnt happen, because people can see it coming and do something else instead. Now you can ask yourself what that something else could be in our case and if thats good or bad, but I didnt really go into that because it gets speculative quickly and my point is to not fixate on the shiny flip-flop scenario. Yes, you need to think about it a bit because the BATNA is relevant to what people do instead, but comments like OP where you assume that theres a decent chance it happens and wouldnt that suck for republicans are living entirely in lalaland.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
1d ago
Are you sure about that? Theres clearly some things they want done as well, and its not like taxes would go down in proportion to the lesser output.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
1d ago
Did you just ignore the rest of the paragraph after that? Its fine to have a change like this, or maybe even a few back-and-forths, every few decades or so. And/or more gradual change all the time. But if you do it every 4-8 years, youre really not gonna like the results. Theres also the part where these swings come from relatively small changes in the electorate; unless this specific system is the only one that may ever count as representative, they are propably not too difficult to avoid.
My point is not that you cant change things, but that something will prevent the scenario OP outlines, and you should be afraid or not of those somethings instead.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
2d ago
In Austria, we used to have political hiring very far down the chain. This worked fine because every government was a coalition of the two major parties, so we didnt constantly turn them over. It changed eventually, but more so due to the bad optics of patronage and limited meritocracy. Today of course, we do actually change our government - though theres also a good chance well settle into something again in the medium term, and maybe that bit of chaos now would be worth it.
I dont think this flipping is viable long-term. It was fine in the days of Jackson, but today the civil service is much more of a career, and thats not compatible with flipping a coin every 4 years whether youll have a job. It would sooner lead to actually obedient bureaucrats.
But I also dont think the wilder swings in governing ideology are viable. The government just does too much for that. Spending is a third of GDP (plus more effectively commandeered by regulations), redirecting even just a good portion of that every 4-8 years is very destructive, and besides, theres no value in a border closed half the time, or a pension paying out half the time. Ive said this before in the context of election fraud or electoral college discussions, but if a 2% effect can make your government not just different, but really different and unacceptably bad, then you should reconsider whether the one without that small deviation is really legitimate.
So I think this scenario youre describing will be avoided, one way or another. Boringly, by continuation of the status quo pre-Trump. Or interestingly, by a stable orthodoxy that encompasses much more than bureaucrats.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
2d ago
that monogamy is not most men's ideal relationship arrangement.
Just because you have urges doesnt mean following them is your ideal relationship arrangement. Look at various gay subcultures as an example of what happens when this urge faces no resistance. I wouldnt want to end up like that. You can attribute this to some psychoanalysis of me, but ~everyone thinks something like this with food and obesity and you propably accept its straightforward there.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
2d ago
wouldn't there be a problem of clipping between physical objects and your fuzzy bits?
Not sure what that means?
I would imagine it would be an everyday nuisance with every type of headgear.
Even after the invention of hard headgear, I think the vast majority of people did not wear it regularly, or maybe even ever.
It was
Yeah, I knew once I followed the link.
As per the link:
One’s True Form is not necessarily encoded in a single 3D representation, but rather a bunch of individual patterns that might leave some details underspecified and others overspecified. The True Human Form is probably multiple conflicting things. It need not project losslessly into our familiar 3D physics
so I think you would still notice that your helmet doesnt, actually, sit tight after you do that. This is not like that delusion where you insist your arm isnt paralysed.
But even if it did work that way, how often would that happen? Celiacs disease deaths would have been far more, and that hasnt been selected away yet.
Aside, this was really interesting to see in my inbox, not yet knowing what conversation its responding to.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
2d ago
I talked about this on the other place, but I think the violence-causing idea is actually a work of the rationalist orthodoxy that isnt done baking yet. This fits the OP link and the hemisphere stuff though.
Also, seems like I had interesting timing.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
Some of it is perfectly adjusted, but not everything is that important. If I expected my ears to sit 2 cm higher than they do, how would that be punished in hunting and warfare? I dont think it would, even though thats far outside the range of normal anatomical variation.
Let's assume euromaidan was an american conspiracy
This is not essential to my argument. I think the game theory is sensitive to de facto rather than official control, and so we should react to this similarly as to suppressing a separatist movement. What matters for escalation is the extent of the consequence: Starting a war over the shifts in trade would be have been escalation, but if soft power loses them their black sea port, you cant hide behind "just playing chess".
Consider: If the West openly attempted a colour revolution in Russia, would that also be "not escalation" because its "just soft power"? This idea that everyone has to take unbounded amounts of damage for losing at your prefered game and may not pull a gun in response is good as a justification for enforcing pax americana, but not for deciding if thats actually what you want to do.
Germany prefers a border country(Ukraine) to be under a far-away power(US) than a close-by power (Russia).
Theres two different arguments. First, that Russia is dangerous, and if nothing stops them in Ukraine then whats to stop them from taking Germany. And second, that we could whisk Ukraine away from Russia and come out ahead. My argument is against the first: I think there is a red line, and the Ukraine war is on the safe side of it.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
Before the Euromaidan, Russia had a lot of de facto control in Ukraine. If you make peace with such a Russia as a third party, then I dont think their attempts to maintain said influence break that peace. If you want a war, then yes, this is a good opportunity to start it, but its not a sign of someone who will conquer everything including you.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
If there was a chunk that mapped to a "tail", then you'd pick up a disproportionate amount of correspondence to the current sacrum.
I mean, you are the doctor, but its not clear to me that you would need to feel them anywhere. If you lose an arm and have a phantom limb, do you feel the sensations at the stump? And if there was a phantom tail, Im not sure the participants could easily recognise it as such. Do people get phantom limbs for limbs they never had and not the mirror image either, and if yes how do they report about the experience?
The cortical homunculus is the best visualization we have of that
Im not sure its the best representation of what the post is talking about. E.g. expecting hunchbacks to have dysphoria - this homunculus doesnt have a determined back hunchedness. And Im not sure how, say, my hand could be that would contradict it, short of missing a finger.
I believe both are incorrect.
That seems like a reasonable possibility.
Maybe Im autistic, but I dont see how this dog with feline features isnt just a cat, and if Im supposed to see some changing style with the ponies I dont either, other than the face between 2 and 3.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
The absence of a tail
If there were neurons dedicated to a non-existent tail, could we tell?
Bipedal hominids had their arms freed from the task of being just another means of propulsion
I mean, monkeys do already use their hands for holding objects to some extent, but what I had in mind is less about how much neurons you dedicate to body parts and more so the shape of those parts thats expected. Because in what sense could your body be "wrong" for a given neural emphasis? But I would say that hands are propably a part where the model is almost entirely human, because there it really matters to get them exactly right.
You said it was a plausible theory in your top-level post
I said the part I quoted is somewhat plausible.
only to the extent that is an attempted explanation for body dysmorphia, which I think is as unlikely to be true as the culturally-driven manifestation for trans body dysphoria as gender dysphoria represents an actual error in some well-defined gender pointer in the human brain.
Im afraid my english isnt good enough for this grammar.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
Which side is antifa on?
"Its complicated". There are more "green" and more "old left" people. Current polls for the coming german election are about 2:1.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
Look at that damn thing and tell me that it has much relevance to proto-lemurs.
As far as I know, the only way neurological facts go into this figure is the relative size of the body parts. You could have made this figure based on a lemur model, walking on all fours, (or really any five-digited tetrapod) and it would be equally correct.
What wemp said about other cultures is a good point, but I think you really overestimate how much of this I find plausible. I think there are some leftovers from pre-bipedal bodies, and I make no claim whether this causes furries.
I find this interesting mostly in how this illustrates a way of thinking about trans-. The part where the theory is not total whack and you can believe it if you really want to contributes to the accurate immitation, just like the ultrapersonal grievances turned into a general theory of politics in the other posts, and the all around excellent mental health of the author.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
...and now for something completely different: Lemurs and the True Human Form,
in which a Zizian uncovers the biological basis of furrydom, which actually everyone has and is in denial about.
The bodies people walk around in here on Ancient Earth do not necessarily match the sensorimotor portions of their brains, and/or other information content about what their bodies are supposed to be like.
From what I can tell by looking at stuff from the fossil record, other modern species, and my own ancestral memory, it seems that a large part of the True Human Form evolved between 30mya and 85mya, around the time of our common ancestors with lemurs.
Most of our proprioceptive body map probably was selected on during this period of time because the delta to our ancestors’ survival was strongly tied to them using their bodies very precisely and acrobatically.
An anthropomorphic mammal seems like a valid way of trying to project the human self-concept including sensorimotor body map, visual modules, and social modules into a 3D form.
I actually find this somewhat plausible. While a good bit of the bodymap is propably learned as well, we should expect remnants like this. The culturewar-relevant part is how moral conclusions are drawn from it - that this is what youre supposed to be like, your True Form. The analogy between gender and species transition is hardly new, but it always gives a bit of a distorted impression, the latter is always a bit of a cardboard figure. Here, we have someone filling in part of the discourse a transspecies movement that laid similar claim to seriousness as transgenderism would produce.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
If yes, then classical liberalism is compatible with slavery -- and if it's compatible with slavery, then it's surely compatible with SJWs and Trump and whatever else people are worried about now.
The "peace treaty liberalism" of OP is compatible with all sorts of things, but that depends on the balance of power. A good example here is different understandings of religous freedom. Here in Austria, theres a bureaucratic process for becoming various levels of recognised as a religion, and it crucially involves the number of members. The rights you can claim soley based on your personal conscience are very limited - conversely, recognised religions have rights that in the US would immediately explode from satanic temple trolling. Our version is the peace treaty, the US is motivated by an abstract right.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
I dont think it is only a matter of seduction. The International Community also wanted us to... not revive history, so to speak, and that means listening to supranational organisations and "civil society" and so on. It has annoyed the US right at times when it led to something especially leftist, but not enough to adjust imperial governance.
Most governing coalitions are 2 parties, and when there are 3 one of them is generally small and has little influence. When the governing coalition changes, the new one generally has one large party in common with the old. These are found empirically, and there are theoretical reasons to expect it, so its propably not some hidden sign of not really having elections. And this means that the usual size of a swing is much smaller. Coalitions can also last quite long, because they do react to changes in the relative vote contribution of their members.
The US also votes in a new executive and legislature. They are not necessarily the same, but they are more than half the time. Almost every president had at least one 2-year period with a congress of the same party, so we should still expect one potential flip per president.
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