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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 30, 2024

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But the basic research needed just isn't there, and it would seem pretty hard to hide a facility better-equipped for fundamental physics experiments than the civilian ones.

This is the core claim, that the USG has sequestered an elite cadre of physicists and kept their discoveries under wraps. One observation in favor of this claim: the dearth of fundamental breakthroughs in physics for the past fifty years.

I think Eric Weinstein alluded to certain branches of physics possibly being forbidden by the government due to their potential weaponisation.

You don't just need to sequester the physicists; you need to sequester their equipment, too. Notice the sheer scale of facilities used for fundamental physics work these days; you're not hiding a 500-kilometre synchrotron. And a lot of the facilities that are built aren't even in the USA.

The necessary co-ordination to keep this straight quickly approaches Illuminati-complete.

That assumes that you need to smash particles together at higher and higher energies to test your hypotheses.

If you're on the hunt for gravitons and antigravitons, would that even be part of the research? Can gravitons even collide?

If you're starting fresh with an unexplored branch of physics you'll not have gotten to the point where testing hypotheses is so far along the curve of diminishing returns that the next advancement requires billions of dollars of capital. The first particle accelerator had a diameter of 4.5 inches. The first one that managed to split an atom was about 2 meters wide.

What of all the secretive Space Force X-37B missions? If you're looking for graviton signals it would be helpful to be in an environment where there are fewer of them.

Note- you need to sequester their equipment, and you need to get the skilled technicians turning wrenches to put it together to keep their mouths shut. Veteran and/or skilled trades circles would be abuzz with rumors of secret hidden technology- what we actually see is engineering school dropouts who find out their hair isn't weird enough for the ancient aliens grifting circuit.

Perhaps there is some physics research that doesn't require a 500 kilometre synchrotron.

Sure, but in a lot of cases this leads to "random scientists not part of the conspiracy could find it". Again, many of the facilities that are built aren't in the USA. And if your conspiracy includes all high-quality scientists everywhere (e.g. the Science Adventure series of VNs), your conspiracy is isomorphic to the Illuminati.

Secret engineering projects are substantially easier to conceal than secret basic science, due to basic science being universal and thus independently discoverable.

And if your conspiracy includes all high-quality scientists everywhere (e.g. the Science Adventure series of VNs), your conspiracy is isomorphic to the Illuminati.

Given the collective institutional support for transgenderism and the failure to call out the absurd state of the science behind it, I'd say either it's not isomorphic to the Illuminati, or the Illuminati must exist.

You and @FirmWeird do make a solid point. I would note that the dissent against TQ and blank-slate is substantially larger and higher-brow than UFOlogy despite the efforts to stamp it out, but this is a weaker argument than the one I made. Mea culpa.

And if your conspiracy includes all high-quality scientists everywhere (e.g. the Science Adventure series of VNs), your conspiracy is isomorphic to the Illuminati.

I don't think you really need to make that conspiracy isomorphic to the illuminati. The heredity of intelligence and other mental characteristics is nakedly obvious to everyone who even takes a cursory look, but research on the topic has been pretty effectively suppressed without the need for any kind of HBD illuminati.

Again, many of the facilities that are built aren't in the USA.

Playing devil's advocate here- are any of them built in countries that aren't core western allies(NATO+ANZAC+Japan+SK)?

And yet, history is replete with nations making fundamental scientific discoveries before anyone else and using those to their advantage militarily before their competitors catch up. One way we know that this has happened in the US is that a scientist makes a breakthrough that could be militarily useful, that breakthrough is then immediately classified, and then other scientists are briefed in and conduct classified research and development based on the breakthrough. That can give you a significant first mover advantage because everyone else is still at the starting line, waiting to discover the fundamental breakthrough, and you're racing forward.

Also the entire premise of this situation is that it wasn't successfully concealed and China now has it as well.

Can you point to some in the last century? It's gotten harder over time, after all.

Atomic weapons and radar stealth are the two biggest examples.

I think laser-projected plasma generation is another that hasn't been declassified yet.

Atomic weapons are specifically the case I was thinking of where this wasn't true; the basic science of the neutron-induced-fission chain reaction was known to all parties in WWII (hence the Uranverein). The Manhattan Project was an engineering project to build a working device.

I don't know as much about the history of radar stealth.

What about plain old radar? AIUI the Brits kept it as a secret weapon from the Nazis for most of the war, to the point of deploying a very effective (continuing!) psyop about feeding their pilots carrots.

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