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PaperclipPerfector  1mo ago (text post)   2343 thread views

Small-Scale Question Sunday for October 13, 2024

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Do we still have posters like that? Most people who can’t stay civil got weeded out already.

Are the exact same political issues being discussed at ACX?

I don’t think there’s anything about TheMotte that’s particularly conducive to uncivil discourse, outside of the emotionally charged topics that get discussed.

Man, I miss TPO…

Mainly thinking of Deiseich. She comments on US election posts on ACX fine but got banned from here IIRC.

Deiseach has always been very snappy & grumpy, and tends to respond to any authority with sneering contempt. Even at ACX at least to me it seems less like she behaves better, it's just that Scott cuts her more slack.

Yeah I guess @Amadan is just too based for that shit.

I valued her posts here greatly and I still think that chasing her away was a bad call.

There’s no point in enforcing the rules on a purely formal level if said enforcement decreases the overall quality of the forum.

She was not banned, and while I feel bad that she decided to leave, she was not "chased away." Like Hlynka, she was told over and over again that the rules still apply to her even if we like her, and she decided that was intolerable. It was too important to her to say exactly what she wanted to say exactly how she wanted to say it.

Yeah I kind of agree. I feel the same about Hlynka.

This place is much less interesting without these big personalities. I wish they had gotten a bit more leeway, even if they were annoying to keep in line.

A sufficiently big personality doesn't find any amount of leeway to be enough.

They both got a lot of leeway, so much that we got a lot of flack for allowing it.

Ahh yeah fair. Perhaps I'm just looking back with rose tinted glasses.

"He was banned because the (actual) Nazis followed him closely and reported every faux pas" is the argument you're running with now?

That's not what he said. And it's also not accurate. I liked Hlynka quite a bit, but he was prone to getting pissy and going off on people. That's against the rules, plain and simple.

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Not familiar with that name, maybe they’re from too far back. Is that one of FarNearEverywhere’s aliases?

Ahh yes, exactly.

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