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No, 5HM is describing a categorical difference in the relationship. The premise is that group 1 engages with the target on a more “intellectual” level than group 2 is doing. This is useful as a proxy for shared values separate from the actual values of the ideology.
Compare vanilla Protestants vs charismatic Christian sects. An obedient believer from one isn’t necessarily going to feel comfortable with the other. The institutions signal different values.
It sounds like they believe that nobody could intellectually engage with trump to conclude he was playing 4d chess all along. Or; that nobody could intellectually engage with twitter and conclude that mobs are right and useful. Use of the phrase "marching orders" hints at this.
Mino (if I may speak for him) and I both agree that this is just a farcical comparison of apples and oranges. A person who executes tribal signals is not a person that is said to be having beliefs.
Really, 5HM is listing out annoying tribal behaviors while the topic under discussion is "irreconcilable political beliefs."
Yes.
Though maybe I need to specify: when I refer to "Trump 4d Chess" I don't mean a mild, motte-ish version that Trump is capable of more complex and high risk political play-calling than we normally see because he's politically unmoored to the establishment traditions that preclude them. I'm referring to people I know who told me, specifically and seriously, that Trump passed power to the military before Biden's inauguration, and that he would resume power in cooperation with the MyPillow guy some time in August 2021. Then October 2021. Etc. That's not something you get out of a reasoned analysis of available evidence. Ditto various twitterati positions, though I can't picture someone who cares deeply about a lot of those things liking me anyway so it's sort of a wash.
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And I think we, and probably @FiveHourMarathon, would agree.
Neither the clout-chasing Marxbro or the chad Engels enthusiast are necessarily expressing intellectual rigor. Same for the 5D chess—the grid of (is/isn’t chessmaster) vs. (tribal/rational reasoning) has two more quadrants. But there is a correlation between the two axes.
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Yes, the sects send different signals, but the matter isn't obedient vs independent.
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