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LRealist  1yr ago (text post)   1699 thread views

Political Survey

Some of you (OK so like... three of you) may remember the last time I ran a survey on political values; I was really happy with the responses everybody gave me at TheMotte, and now a few other people I know who post on Substack are wanting to use the results to answer some questions of their own. So long story short, here's another poll:

PLEASE TAKE THE SURVEY HERE

Don't worry if you think you're unusual and might skew the results - in fact we'd very much appreciate your perspective, whatever it is.

Thanks guys!

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I found that graph very funny. "Sensuality" listed as a fetish stunned me for a second.

There is apparently a continuum of tabooness from white to Asian to black...

"Indifference" is a fetish now.

There's a subreddit called something like "bored and ignored", for videos of couples having sex and the woman is paying no attention to the man e.g. because she's too engrossed in the video game she's playing. Half a million subscribers - no idea how that compares to other fetish subs but it seems like there's a sizeable market for this kind of content.

I've heard in the porn industry, a white girl doing a scene with a black guy pays more than a white girl doing anal with a white guy.

"Some studios pay white women more for their perceived willingness to perform IR scenes, and white women can launch lucrative careers by planning a trajectory that leads up to interracial porn."

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/07/164569/racism-pay-interracial-porn-industry-glamour

Mutt's law being what it is, I can only assume so.

Apparently some of the softer or more romantic 'kinks' were added because "iirc Tailcalled was like “you seem to be weak in items around romance/gentle/sweet stuff”".

"Tabooness" is specifically "how much would society judge you" in the taboo survey, specifically:

To calibrate, you can ask How bad would it be if you: told your grandmother you have this fetish, [or] announced to a crowd of strangers you have this fetish [or] had search history for this fetish leaked.

Notably, it does not have the disclaimer about fantasy that the kink survey did. So it's got a lot of overloading, somewhat at cross purposes. Most stuff on the >80% is the sort of conduct that gets you jailed and/or disowned, while most of the <40% is stuff that at most would be awkward.

Another question: if incest is hovering around 1 in average reported interest, why for the last ~ten years has the front page of Pornhub been dominated by stepbrother, stepson, stepdaughter etc.?

Does it have some correlates that are otherwise hard to search for directly? I imagine for example that the incest framing would be anticorrelated with the actors being old or trashy, or the action being violent or non-passionate. Maybe it's simply the easiest way to find nice vanilla sexual encounters between normal-looking people in a domestic setting.

I don't know about pornhub but I know on xvideos that the website automatically appends "step" to words like "brother" or "dad" (and also completely removes other certain words) so maybe pornhub operates the same way

One side's that the Likert Scale has some really awkward ramifications, and while it's well-accepted as a scientific tool (so I can't blame individual researchers for using it), I'm not convinced it should be. It's notoriously prone to anchoring problems, but worse than that it tends to give a very constrained summary of its results. An average score of 1 can reflect either reflect all of your participants saying that they find it only the slightest bit arousing, or ~15% finding it the most arousing thing ever and everyone else hating it, or anywhere in-between.

In practice, this kinda averages out for all but the most polarizing interests (eg, "gay men" has 15,878 zero scores to the 34,977 "brosis" does in the raw data despite 'only' having a 1.5ish score), but it still means 25% report at least "somewhat arousing" to brother/sister.

Which is only part of the explanation; I don't know non-fur stuff that well, but from your reaction it sounds like 25% would be a low estimate for the front page of pornhub (and I don't think my checks would be representative).

The other side's kinda boring. At least for video, 'incest' as a kink is cheap and easy to advertise for how taboo it is. Trivially, a lot of it's just random videos uploaded with an eye-catching title, but even a video leaning very heavily into the genre only needs two porn actors/actresses and a video camera. Ideally somewhat similar-looking actors and actresses, but honestly when you strap 'step' onto the front they don't even necessarily have to be the same race. That makes it a lot easier to produce content (and with clear weightings for recently uploaded content, that matters), and for that content to get enough interest to be promoted to the front page. (To be unreasonably charitable, it also means that people really squicked by incest can avoid the stuff easily, rather than getting a money shot and then faked moans of "hey bro".)

Presumably the inclusion of "step" means it's not incest people seek, but, as someone else put it, a potential sexual partner you don't need to painstakingly swipe on Tinder/barfly/scan friends' groups for because you're already intimately familiar.

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