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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
A rags to riches story of small backwater with big population and high birth rates has happened couple of times already.
And the whole subthread is that you are playing Caesar:2023 gaza strip edition. Aka you are benevolent competent dictator that is sufficiently ruthless. Palestine has had a choice last 80 years - admit you lost and develop over what you have left or suffer in misery. There is never too late to take the sane one.
And here is a prediction - even if somehow there is new eradication of the jews and palestinians take all their land tommorow - the new palstine will be a shithole forever from which they will still try to escape. Case in point - lebanon, zimbabwe, south africa, libya. The dog caught the car and the death spiral started. The change in a country starts in the soul, not in the territory.
A rags to riches story of small backwater with big population and high birth rates has happened couple of times already.
Sure, but which of those cases ended up "substantially richer than Israel ". Israel is already one of the richest countries in the world. A random countries can't just up and make themselves richer than that because they decide to. The vast majority of functioning western countries are far poorer than Israel. You can't just decide that you want to be richer and make it so.
Lebanon was a reasonably nice place to live when the maronites were firmly in charge, and Zimbabwe under white rule was…
Oh. Yes, Palestinian ruled territories will always be shitholes.
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A rags to riches story of small backwater with big population and high birth rates has happened couple of times already.
And the whole subthread is that you are playing Caesar:2023 gaza strip edition. Aka you are benevolent competent dictator that is sufficiently ruthless. Palestine has had a choice last 80 years - admit you lost and develop over what you have left or suffer in misery. There is never too late to take the sane one.
And here is a prediction - even if somehow there is new eradication of the jews and palestinians take all their land tommorow - the new palstine will be a shithole forever from which they will still try to escape. Case in point - lebanon, zimbabwe, south africa, libya. The dog caught the car and the death spiral started. The change in a country starts in the soul, not in the territory.
Did any of those have a diaspora with a long track record of poor economic performance and above average criminality?
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Sure, but which of those cases ended up "substantially richer than Israel ". Israel is already one of the richest countries in the world. A random countries can't just up and make themselves richer than that because they decide to. The vast majority of functioning western countries are far poorer than Israel. You can't just decide that you want to be richer and make it so.
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Lebanon was a reasonably nice place to live when the maronites were firmly in charge, and Zimbabwe under white rule was… Oh. Yes, Palestinian ruled territories will always be shitholes.
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