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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
There’s no ordinal scale of evil. A convicted murderer is not necessarily a rapist or even a jaywalker. Likewise, believing that Islamic terrorists are willing to commit atrocities in general does not imply that they committed any atrocity in particular.
Even if you are arguing from specificity, the offending parties were actively believing and spreading the (unlikely to be true) story that Israel just bombed a hospital full of innocents. Hamas being bad doesn't confirm they did the one bad thing. Hamas being bad does mean anyone of any respectability or intelligence would not spread Hamas propaganda without serious vetting of it. Yet, major left of center media outlets did.
They killed babies and children and then took some young kids as hostages that same day. They just didn't behead 40 in a nursery or whatever it was, but they essentially did the same thing that exact same day.
They released photos of dead babies (2 I believe). They went around a neighborhood door to door and killed anyone in the homes including children. They released photos of the hostages they took which included children.
I've seen plenty of photos of people who look like they were shot, so probably, yeah.
The nature of the activities beyond that I actually have very little insight -- there's no reason to trust anything released by either party other than stuff that looks like it would be beyond their (respective) capability to easily fake, and very little of what I've seen comes from anything close to a disinterested bystander.
Not sure if this is some in-joke that I don't get. but there are reports of it being antagonistic, so maybe other people don't get this "joke" either. Whether its a joke or not, its not a good contribution, please don't do this.
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False dichotomy, no?
There’s no ordinal scale of evil. A convicted murderer is not necessarily a rapist or even a jaywalker. Likewise, believing that Islamic terrorists are willing to commit atrocities in general does not imply that they committed any atrocity in particular.
Even if you are arguing from specificity, the offending parties were actively believing and spreading the (unlikely to be true) story that Israel just bombed a hospital full of innocents. Hamas being bad doesn't confirm they did the one bad thing. Hamas being bad does mean anyone of any respectability or intelligence would not spread Hamas propaganda without serious vetting of it. Yet, major left of center media outlets did.
You’re right; I overlooked the latter part of the comment.
Was there really no non-Hamas source providing firsthand reports on the hospital? If not…yeah, journalistic malpractice.
I still think “they absolutely would blow up their own hospital to make Israel look bad” is assuming the conclusion.
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They killed babies and children and then took some young kids as hostages that same day. They just didn't behead 40 in a nursery or whatever it was, but they essentially did the same thing that exact same day.
Did they though? How do we know? I have only heard any of this from the same people who were telling me that they'd beheaded forty babies.
I know this is an old comment now, but I thought this link might contain some items of interest to you: https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/
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They released photos of dead babies (2 I believe). They went around a neighborhood door to door and killed anyone in the homes including children. They released photos of the hostages they took which included children.
They released photos of two burnt objects of some kind -- maybe they were babies, maybe not. The rest (other than the hostages) -- how do you know?
What happened that day according to you? Was anyone killed?
I've seen plenty of photos of people who look like they were shot, so probably, yeah.
The nature of the activities beyond that I actually have very little insight -- there's no reason to trust anything released by either party other than stuff that looks like it would be beyond their (respective) capability to easily fake, and very little of what I've seen comes from anything close to a disinterested bystander.
Okay Alex
Not sure if this is some in-joke that I don't get. but there are reports of it being antagonistic, so maybe other people don't get this "joke" either. Whether its a joke or not, its not a good contribution, please don't do this.
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"The saddest words of tongue and pen"...
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Photos were released. And saying all 40 were be headed was a misquote of the original Story.
What photos? I have seen zero photos of beheaded babies.
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