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Let's have The Motte take the Big Five (one of the better psychometric tests):
You can take it here online-- https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/IPIP-BFFM/
My own results, embedded below, come as little surprise to me. I'm a rather calm, stoic person most of the time, and I suppose I'd score even higher on the emotional stability aspect if I wasn't stable via the means of always being low-key depressed :( . I'm reasonably agreeable, or at the very least, spare my contentious side for this forum.
And my conscientiousness is pretty bad, but hey, if it wasn't obvious that I have ADHD..
(In case anyone is confused, intellect/imagination in this test is usually referred to as "openness to experience".)
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I wonder if neuroticity affects the test scores of the other traits. Someone who's neurotic might score themselves more harshly.
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54/57/30/5/95.
5th percentile conscientiousness sounds about right.
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96, 96, 45, 0, 96
I am a man of extremes, but also no conscientiousness.
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I guess I am a hikikomori. @2rafa' s comment below hit me like a ton of bricks. I am also someone who does the things that are good for me (fitness, dating etc, work ) only when faced with impending undesirable consequences of my laziness. Hence the hikikomori label. I am guessing that I will have to see a therapist at some point in the near future to fix me.
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25/57/17/36/84
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I think its pretty accurate. I am... AVERAGE!!! NORMAL. Suck it weirdos.
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The person you don't invite to parties.
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I am not surprised by my results. Half the time I'm an introvert and half the time I'm an extrovert. When I'm an extrovert I immediately piss people off thanks to my low agreeableness so I go back to being an introvert. My conscientiousness is high because I can't stand messy/dirty environments or people who self sabotage so I try to avoid bad habits as much as possible.
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To quote Tom Wolfe, my emotional stability has a center of gravity like a 102-inch High Point Vinyleather sofa.
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LMAO
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Extroversion: 11 (no change from 2017 score)
Emotional stability: 36 (down from 52)
Agreeableness: 0 (no change)
Conscientiousness: 86 (up from 76)
Intellect/imagination/openness: 79 (up from 46)
You get a plus 10 to conscientiousness simply for correlating with scores from 6 years ago haha
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I'd say you are, but then again you'd probably disagree ;)
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Really, ZERO on conscientiousness? I'm terrible.
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It's hard imagine someone conscientious being a regular here, somewhere you can read 80,000 words of new longposts a week and spend hours writing your own just isn't the kind of thing someone highly productive would do I think.
Yes, I absolutely think that's a weakness for me, but zeroth percentile makes me think there's a significant sample problem. Zeroth percentile conscientiousness is can't hold a job or pay a mortgage or maintain a relationship territory.
Maybe it's better to label this as "perception of one's level of X relative to peers?" Because I'm probably zeroth percentile in my graduating class. Just not in gen pop.
Hmm, that’s an interesting theory. I think if you’re smart you can find little ways of being lazy without ruining your life. If I had to do a job like secretarial work, being a receptionist, a clerk, a cleaner, I’d definitely fail. Some of the least conscientious people I know do stuff like programming, copywriting and sales, where you can hyperfocus and get a month’s worth of work done in 10 hours on one day and then procrastinate for the rest of the month.
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I'm surprised others here have low conscientiousness. You guys may be underrating yourself, or I may be overrating. My extroversion and agreeableness are as I expected. Emotional stability is higher than I thought, but I have been described as calm and unreactive by others. I would expect my openness to be 90th+ percentile, but I don't rate my own imagination very highly (maybe because I can imagine having a much better imagination?).
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My extroversion has steadily increased as I've aged and started caring less about being awkward. And I'm glad to see myself in such good un-conscientious company : )
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Not sure what this means exactly.
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So, extroverted and stubborn? Sounds about right actually.
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I am the queen of conscientiousness! Now please excuse me as I get back to organizing my pen collection.
Care to donate two percentile points? You won't miss 'em, and it would double my score.
Sure! It'd probably make me easier to live with too.
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Wow. I sound kind of nightmarish to be around. I wonder if I have enough conscientiousness to reflect appropriately on this.
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This survey makes me sound positively schizoid.
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Unsurprising. The last thing seems to be "how smart do you think you are" (answer: I very much overestimate my abilities), though.
Doesn't the Big 5 usually contain neuroticism? Is that emotional stability? I typically get 99th percentile neuroticism on these tests.
I'm pretty sure they're just relabeling the clusters. Neuroticism is emotional stability, imagination is openness to experience.
My condolences. It's certainly not obvious from interacting with you, not that I think a forum like the Motte is a good way to gauge anything other than the openness to experience aspect, which can be quite blatant at times.
I suppose that I'm a fair representation of trading conscientiousness for raw intelligence, which got me pretty far in life, at least until the point I needed meds to keep up with med school, which to no one's surprise, is absolutely designed for high conscientiousness people.
My whole life I've played little mind games with myself to force myself to work. The only reason I graduated high school and college is because I'd use my overactive imagination and over-empathy to tell myself that my father would hate me and be disappointed in me forever if I didn't do well. Now in the workplace I do the same with my coworkers, "oh, this deal won't happen if I fuck this up", "what am I going to say to client if they call and ask where this is", "how upset is the MD going to look if I fail to complete this by tomorrow morning". In many cases they wouldn't even care that much, but I need to weave these narratives to be productive, essentially tricking myself into thinking my situation is a lot more desperate than it is.
I also didn't post about it here (or anywhere) because I was pretty ashamed, but I had an entire year a few years ago where I resigned from my then-current job after getting an offer somewhere else, ended up not starting (for a variety of reasons that didn't really have anything to do with me) and then did literally nothing for a year except play videogames, post here and walk around the city sometimes during the day. I wasn't even depressed, every day I'd tell myself 'hey, why not speak to those recruiters spamming you on LinkedIn, or to your old boss, or to your family', but I didn't want to, I was happy enough sitting on the couch. I lied to my parents about what I was doing (and I have my dad on LinkedIn, so it became pretty elaborate), my partner knew partially but was out working so saw less of it. I just couldn't bring myself to do anything. Fortunately I was saved when someone very kindly offered me (essentially) my job directly, bypassing the usual endless HR/recruiter process (I still had to it, but after the offer was made), and since I've been fine. But I terrify myself sometimes.
THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME. Wow! Except I didn’t leave for another job—I just quit with nothing lined up knowing I could probably easily get another job and needing to get away from what I was doing.
What I imagined I would do with all that free time compared to what I ended up doing with all that free time was a true blackpill. I now have proof that it is not a lack of time that is keeping me from reaching my personal goals; instead I now know that I don’t reach my personal goals because I’m a lazy, unfocused piece of shit who needs real consequences to make me do anything productive. So that was a fun lesson.
Like you, I too got rescued by an acquaintance who handed me my current job on a silver platter, though not as glorious as banking in London.
It’s a sad realization because I’m not sure what to do about it. I think it’s just who I am. People like us are capable of doing a lot, but only in desperate situations that are probably quite unpleasant, or when burdened with great responsibility (like being a single parent).
Interesting. It always seemed to me that society has always been composed of 1% that drives it, and the 99% that follows. And that 1% often gets frustrated because of that fact. This leads many in that intellectual and social engine to question the purpose of human life, which seems destined for suffering no matter how hard you try to avoid it, and with an inevitable end that truncates everything. And this leads to nihilism when it goes unchecked. It's important that we find a meaningful purpose in what we do or want to do, and for that, a period of societal hibernation is truly a luxury that everyone should afford at some point in their lives. Training, reading, traveling, wandering, thinking, and writing, especially today with the infinite resources available, is a very rewarding journey if the goal is to come out of hibernation as the best possible version of oneself.
Certainly happened to me. At some point, things turned around spectacularly in my life. Take it from a guy who was basically a bum for 2 years of his life.
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Wow it's interesting to read such a similar internal monologue to my own. I've consistently spent my young adult/adult life basically internally shaming myself into working.
Luckily I'm slowly managing to get a healthier relationship to my emotions, but it's a hell of a process to go through. Seems like you're okay with it though I guess, so that's good?
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That does sound pretty bad, are you sure you don't have anxiety/depression yourself?
I spent about 4 months procrastinating on getting a new job after I got my GMC license, with the excuse that I was waiting for my girl to pass hers and get it too so we could leave together. Tbf, I dreaded going to work, because I despise standing around for hours as consultants perform interminable ward rounds. I take paracetamol just to get through the ache in my legs, and I'm useless and worn out after a 24h shift. Unfortunately, man's got to eat (and pay off debts incurred on my card on her behalf), so here I am again. Truth be told, the idea of heading for the UK alone scares the shit out of me, I'm scared I don't have my act together to the extent required to subsist as a lone adult without anyone to fallback on. Guess I'll have to bite that bullet at some point, I'm not getting any younger.
Wait you're going to the UK alone? Since when?
I gave the exams necessary to practise as a doc back in December, and got the results in Jan. Right now, I'm waiting for another set of exams that lets me enter specialty training, which will be in Jan. If I got a job there rn, it wouldn't count for career progression!
And I would very much rather not go alone, that's why I was waiting for my girl haha, we're going to give the new exam together too.
Cool well I wish you both luck! Obviously hope you can come to the Land of the Free at some point, but I guess you can hang out with @2rafa and the other British rabble in the meantime ;P
Trust me my heart's on your side of the pond, but until I sort out my USMLE issues, I'm going to have to settle for the UK :(
And thank you!
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An opportunity to be a datapoint? Let me at it!
Extraversion - 29th p.
Emotional Stability - 81st p.
Agreeableness - 40th p.
Conscientiousness - 18th p.
Intellect/Imagination - 80th p.
It pretty much comports exactly with how I understand myself and so isn't offering me any fresh or striking insights, unfortunately, but what can I really expect from a 50-question personality test?
(I do think 'Openness to Experience' is a better label for their Factor V though - I don't know that I would consider myself in the 80th percentile of 'intellect', or if I were to, it wouldn't be based on anything this test asked me.)
That makes me curious though, has anybody here ever gotten a result from a test like this that's very surprising or counterintuitive, in a way that offered you some grain of insight or cause for reflection?
edit: Oh cool, several responders here did get such a result. Interesting!
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I got 19, 62, 0, 67, 33 respectively. The 0 in agreeableness is highly unlikely to be correct, but I may be misinterpreting what it purports to represent. I do tend to disagree with a lot of people, but I am certainly polite and hate confrontation.
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What Big 5 has going for it is largely that it's psychometrically validated with plenty of features we care about in real life, and reproducibly so. I don't expect anyone who has any combination of intelligence and introspection to be amazed at its findings, but it is a decent enough way of comparing between people.
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Aww yeah. Will do this and post results in a bit. Also 2nd percentile on conscientiousness? That can't be right for someone like you who has literally written an entire novel.
Extroversion: 92
Emotional Stability: 13
Agreeableness: 71
Conscientiousness: 72
Intellect/Imagination: 96
Guess I'm just super smart and perfectly well rounded! Except for the emotional stability...
Most of that novel was written as a form of procrastination from other work haha.
Perhaps 2% is too low, but I'd be quite confident it's lower than 10%. About 50% when I'm on my meds I'd wager.
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