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On the assumption they'd be used to destroy Nazi Germany. And the funding for implementation came from Europeans, without which Jewish physics expertise is useless.
And what have Jews given in return? Just what are these cultural contributions we're talking about? We got multiculturalism, mass immigration, MindGeek and Tinder. We get Blackrock promoting ESG, we get the NYT and media broadly stoking anti-white hatred (with their wildly diverging treatment of white-on-black vs black-on-white killings), we have Disney pushing everything but white men. We have the ADL shamelessly promoting Jewish nationalism and denigrating white nationalism.
Outside the hard sciences, where they provided a lot of useful work - polio vaccines for instance, Jews have had profoundly negative effects on the West. They comprehensively work to transform the Western World to fit their preferences of an open, cosmopolitan society and snaffle up most of the elite positions in said society, while playing a divide-and-conquer game with newly imported minorities and the old majority. This is not advantageous to Europeans, who lose the benefits of homogenous, high trust communities and a good chunk of elite positions. Consider how many people weren't born due to ideas like feminism which was heavily promoted by Jews or 'overpopulation' circulated by people like Ehrlich.
From Sontag:
Or Barbara Spectre in Sweden:
Noel Ignatiev writes that he merely wants to abolish the category of whiteness, yet I doubt he'd be so enthusiastic if we wanted to eradicate Jewishness (merely as a category though, never mind about the weakness it induces in the group of individuals after having their identity dissolved.) Obviously having your identity is beneficial to the group, why else would identities even exist?
A large chunk of the Jewish cultural intelligentsia has a deep-seated hatred of whites and don't even bother to hide it. Treating people who openly hate you as friends is ridiculously silly. That's what we've been doing for decades and it isn't working out well. Consider the WW2 veterans who are inconceivably bitter about the society they fought for (there's a whole book of letters, The Unknown Warriors, from UK veterans where they mostly despair at the transformation their country has undergone, how the values they were raised under have been demolished).
Of course, I'll give the standard 'not all Jews are working to undermine to remain the remnants of Western Civilization'. But consider that not all whites participated in pogroms, Crusades or Nazism. Sweden isn't going to be spared its 'inevitable cultural transformation', despite hardly ever doing anything to anger Jews. These large-scale conflicts are totalizing, they do not suffer nuance. Consider what happened to the whites who were sympathetic to Dessalines and remained in Haiti after he won the war.
If anyone wants links to back up my points, then I can provide them with sources.
Sure, the Jews thought it would also be in their overall interests of the time (not only as Jews, but also as Americans and pacifists like Einstein) to create the atom bomb.
But I still think it was a big deal to entrust such a destructive weapon to people who were not so ethnically or culturally dissimilar from the Nazis.
And, perhaps most relevantly for White identitarians, by creating such a destructive weapon, they perhaps created the conditions to never have another massively destructive war among White people. ("Brother wars" being one of our chief and regular mistakes for so many centuries.)
It may have even been unintentional, but how many White Goy lives have been saved by the fear of nuclear war? (Quite a lot of human progress has come from unintended discoveries and indirect effects... sort of an anti-fragile effect, I think, the natural tendency of humans to try to turn everything into a positive.)
I personally value the cultural contributions of Jews the least of their contributions. Very little of their culture is the culture I like most. (I hate Seinfeld, I hate Mindgeek, I hate Tinder, I hate...)
But almost zero White people (including White identitarians) don't have some favorite movies or music or other culture which had major Jewish contributions.
One of the culturally "Whitest" and most wholesome movies of all time, imo, "It's A Wonderful Life", was made by a Jew, for example.
Hollywood may have been largely run by (often nepotistic) Jews for over a century (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein19-story.html), and yet those Jews turned a profit from White audiences. If Jews did a better job of giving White audiences culture they were willing to pay for, than we ourselves were able to do, whose fault is that? Nepotism can only explain so much...
This had already happened, and was going to keep happening, even if no Jews had ever been let in the country.
The Hart-Cellar Act of 1965 passed overwhelmingly, Jews were not necessary for it.
"voted 320 to 70 in favor of the act, while the United States Senate passed the bill by a vote of 76 to 18.[28] In the Senate, 52 Democrats voted yes, 14 no, and 1 abstained. Among Senate Republicans, 24 voted yes, 3 voted no, and 1 abstained.[29] In the House, 202 Democrats voted yes, 60 voted no, and 12 abstained, 118 Republicans voted yes, 10 voted no, and 11 abstained.[30] In total, 74% of Democrats and 85% of Republicans voted for passage of this bill"
And Reagan naturalized huge numbers of illegal aliens.
I think America and other countries have done a terrible job with how they have managed immigration, but us White people should take responsibility for our part in them. (And if we were partly persuaded by Jews into these mistakes, we should take responsibility for that, too. We have to be smart enough to not push the blade into our own heart, no matter how persuasive some messages might be.)
No doubt commercial and pro-immigration Jews helped accelerate this, but probably much of this would have happened anyway, due to capitalist and migratory pressures. We need to take responsibility for our choices, along with acknowledging the environment we were operating in. Once we created so many nice countries, and being so capitalist, mass immigration was almost inevitable.
"Jewish nationalism" and "Jewish identitarianism" are great phrases. Instead of saying "Zionist" (which most people don't understand), just always refer to it as "Jewish nationalism/identitarianism", so people understand that White nationalism and Jewish nationalism are the same thing.
I think that several groups of people are VERY BAD at bragging about how much they have helped the rest of the planet.
These groups include (but are not limited to):
.men of all races
.White Goys
.Jews
.nerds in general
Anyway, Jews need to do a better job of bragging about every great contribution they have made, just like White Goys need to brag more, and men need to brag more, and so on.
It's possible that one single Jew- Fritz Haber- saved more lives with one single invention, than the sum of all lives lost to every single "bad Jew" on the planet.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EvknN89JoWo&ab_channel=Veritasium
(One thing I love about the Fritz Haber example is that he also helped to kill a lot of people, so it shows the dichotomy of Jews, which is similar to the dichotomy of White Goys & the dichotomy of men & of technology in general- sometimes they do bad things, and sometimes they do good things. But the Good usually heavily outweighs the Bad.)
White people had the least need for help, but I bet the White population could expand by over 100 million extra people due to that one Jew.
Every other invention and scientific discovery is basically gravy on top, for its benefits for White people. And Jews are massive contributors in these areas.
A meaningful portion of White wealth is directly and indirectly based on Jewish ingenuity & investment. (Just like most Jewish wealth is built on top of White foundations.)
And in a civilizational conflict with, say, China, Jews would be crucial allies. Just like their help in ending the war with Japan.
It seems particularly insane to me in the present moment for any White identitarians to dare to make themselves seem like a threat to Jews, when so many Jews are playing crucial roles in AI development. There are an almost infinite number of ways in which unnecessary enmity could turn out horribly for White anti-Semites during this phase of history!
(And likewise, there are so many White Goys playing crucial roles in AI development, and Chinese people, and Indians, and so on, that the risk of Jews or anyone else being negatively racist towards any of these other groups seems off-the-charts insane.)
I bet some Jews have the exact same rationalization for why it's ok to screw over lots of White societies. "Sure, most White people are nice, but some of them did MASSIVE damage to us...", and use that to justify their selfishness and racism against all of us.
And BTW, I never doubted that some Jews have had a truly horrible (and often misinformed) attitude towards us. I am just exploring how the dynamic could eventually become lastingly better.
Ending the negative cycle is the key thing. Or at least reducing it. Both sides need better communication/persuasion, and more creative pragmatism.
This and the rest of your comment did a good job of exploring reasons to A) fear the power of Jews (in other words, try to convert them to friends and allies, by whatever creative and reasonable means we can do so), and B) "if you can't beat them, join them".
Ah yes but somebody would've figured out synthesizing nitrogen eventually. If it wasn't Haber, it would've been the next-best, next-luckiest chemist. As guano prices rise, more money and brainpower is brought to bear on the problem. Someone was always going to figure out quantum mechanics, eventually. In a world without Jews, people might've figured out nuclear weapons somewhat slower but it would still have been achieved. Likewise with polio vaccines.
Politics and culture is vastly more important than science since culture and politics are one-shot things. If you lock in feminism to the Japanese constitution and the birthrate plummets, never to recover, then that's brainpower that is forever lost, it cannot be rediscovered. If you (Trotsky, Zinoviev and the rest of the gang) impose a horrendously bad form of government on a huge swathe of Eurasia (then get overthrown by Stalin and Beria who do their best to match and exceed in terms of brutality and waste), then that can never be undone. Let's not forget galaxy-brain Von Neumann's plea to immediately wage nuclear war against the Soviet Union and kill tens of millions more. If he'd been listened to, if people had trusted his game theory over their own common sense... Well someone else can invent computer architecture - nobody can bring the dead back to life.
Over the last few years, how many people weren't born because of Ehrlich and co's overpopulation meme? How much wealth has been squandered? Nobody can be sure but the amount of brainpower we lost to communism and bad politics (which is admittedly multi-causal but heavily influenced by ideas promulgated by Jews) is immense. My bet is that it outweighs Jewish contributions to science by far.
Good point. But the key thing hinges upon the necessity of the enmity. If you have a neutral, then you should not offend them unless necessary, especially if they're powerful. But if there's an enemy on the verge of attaining total power over the world? If protesting at the sinister entrenchment of political bias in GPT, for example, is making a threat, so be it. It's rather similar to the adage 'When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression'.
Likewise, brainpower is needed in a conflict with China. But there are other options - we could abandon our crusade to impose LGBT rights and liberal democracy upon Beijing. Acknowledging China as a legitimate non-democracy would have soothed much of the problems. Or we could've been more disciplined earlier on! Goldman Sachs and co could have not blindly sought profits from the Chinese market... A less Open Society would not have brought in Chinese students and trained them in advanced technology, so they could then leak IP back to China. A West that had a genuinely nationalist policy would not have let its industrial base be carved out and send to Shanghai.
There's a combination of high intelligence and insufficiently high wisdom that is very dangerous. It can make money and innovation - but also bad money and bad innovations like coin-clipping or communism, Middle East regime change, pre-emptive nuclear war, pumping sterilization drugs into the water supply as Ehrlich proposed. Better to match moderate wisdom and intelligence, advance swiftly but not recklessly embrace radical ideas.
Even so, I respect the novelty and refreshing point of view of your argument. But don't you think that it's a very unlikely ideology to work? I've spent a lot of time reading and never come across anything like what you say. People more naturally think in terms of 'threat -> enemy -> weaken/destroy' than 'threat -> cooperate -> ally'. Why else are there wars in the world?
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Finland probably has one of the smallest Jewish communities anywhere in Europe. Which doesn't mean there aren't Jews of influence - but the most notable ones, former UN ambassador, Max Jakobson and MP Ben Zyskowicz - have been figures of the right, with Zyskowicz particularly having a reputation of being a right-wing stalwart within his party.
The closest the local antisemites have had to a "Barbara Spectre" is that many of them have theoretized that Aatos Erkko, the former longtime editor/owner of Finland's main newspaper and biggest domestic media concern, was partly Jewish from his English mother's side. However, I have never found actual proof of this - Aatos's mother's family tree does not have any indications of such, and Aatos seems to have mostly just inherited his father's liberal Anglophile political inclinations.
Like I've said before, Finland has had a socialist revolution, one of Western Europe's biggest and most influential Communist parties, a new-left movement advocating for sexual revolution etc, a robust domestic pornography industry etc. things that antisemites often blame solely or at least mainly for being a product of Jewish influence, yet with next to no Jews involved here. That would indicate these are really products of material and social trends, not some malign minority - if Jews have been involved in such sectors in other countries, it's more of a question of taking up places in an ecosystem where the same places would have been occupied by gentiles if there had not been Jews.
One notable thing is that occasionally the local discourses on the Finland-Swedish minority have greatly resembled the ways antisemites talk about Jews - something that has been noted not only by Finland-Swedes but also by far-righters. (Conservative cartoonist Kari Suomalainen who tended towards the far right at the end of his career caustically noted that "Finland has never had a particular need for antisemitism since we have Swedes to hate.")
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What we can do is provide clear, reasoned enlightenment in response, so anyone reading can see the difference between that poisoned paranoia and rationality.
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Well, Mr Al Goldstein normalized hardcore pornography in the US. Reuben Sturman was the 'Walt Disney of Porn'. Tinder's two founders were Jewish and half-Jewish respectively. Stephen Hirsch runs Vivid Entertainment, which dominates the video production side of US pornography today. Jews have made an enormous and grossly disproportionate contribution to sexual liberalization. This is not up for dispute. Do you want me to list off a huge number of Jewish feminists? I can but usually I get accused of gish-gallopping whenever I provide large amounts of evidence to support a case.
Plus, a quote from Al Goldstein: "The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don't believe in authoritarianism."
And who was it working intensely for a greatly liberalized immigration policy in the UK, in the late 1990s where immigration increased massively, despite never being part of a democratic party program? Minister of State for Asylum and Immigration Barbara Roche. There's also an enormous swathe of Jewish lobby groups clamouring for increased migration to the UK. It's the same story in the US - Jewish billionaires predominently lean the same way in their enormous political donations. They support either Israel or sexual liberalization and mass immigration: https://www.themotte.org/post/421/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/79580?context=8#context
Well, David Marmorstein Tassilo helped found the company and is COO.
Why don't you have a look at the US government and get back to me on that:
Blinken (Secretary of State)
Sherman (Deputy Secretary of State)
Yellen (Treasury Secretary)
Garland (Attorney General)
Cohen (Deputy CIA Director)
Haines (Director of Natl Intelligence)
Klain (Chief of Staff)
Lander (Science & Tech Director)
Levine (Deputy Health Secretary)
Mayorkas (Director of Homeland Security)
Neuberger (NSA Cybersecurity Director)
In contrast, Whites have Energy, Transport, Health, Commerce, Agriculture and Veteran's affairs. An enormous chunk of the most important parts of the US government are run by Jews. We often talk about sectarianism in academic analysis of history. For instance, we understand that the Syrian Ba'ath party is dominated by Alawites, in alliance with some minorities like Christians and Shia, working against the Sunni majority. I've studied the topic. The officer corps of the Syrian army was filled with Alawites. Non-Alawite officers often got Alawite second-in-commands to keep them in line, to ensure they wouldn't make the wrong choices. That situation is paralleled in the US government to a certain extent.
Hmm... The name does not square with their actions...
It’s always the ones you least expect.
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In 6 years of encountering this claim across hundreds of threads in dozens of places, alongside hundreds of thousands silently encountering this claim for the first or Nth time and a very good chunk of them being initially set down or carried further along the path towards irrevocably arriving at "there's something up with the jews and maybe something should be done about it" by it, I can't recall ever seeing anybody actually go through and dispute it.
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My point is that Jews are enormously overrepresented in establishing and developing these sectors. The direction in which they take things tends to be more radical and transgressive. It stands to reason that if there weren't any Jews, then there would be much less in the way of pornography and casual sex generally. The most sex-oriented big dating apps are tinder and grindr, both founded by Jews. More lovey-dovey, long-term relationship apps like OKCupid and Bumble were founded by Europeans.
Not all horrendous ideas in the world are from Jews: Gentler for instance proudly sent orphans in Germany off to live with pedophiles and got dozens of men acquitted of molestation, Foucault campaigned for the abolition of the age of consent, presumably so he could have sex with children. There was a postwar vibe that was excessively libertine, where barriers that should not have been touched were broken. The Frankfurt school had a lot to do with this attitude of course.
Immigration and refugee resettlement in the US stems significantly from Jews. The 1965 Immigration Law was introduced by Emmanuel Celler. Sure, it was passed by many non-Jews too. But consider Proposition 187 which sought to stem illegal immigration in California, which was approved democratically but then blocked by Mariana Pfaelzer.
This is what we call shifting the goalposts.
You made a lot of claims about Jews essentially being responsible for modern hardcore pornography, and when that was knocked down, now it's "Well, they're enormously overrepresented."
How exactly do you quantify "enormously," anyway? More overrepresented than they are in the media generally?
My question for you is the same I have for all the Joo-posters: you play this game of trying to get everyone to Notice things, but never spell out what you think the significance is. Are Jews just natural degenerates with a biological compulsion to subvert and corrupt? Is there something in Judaism that you think is a causal link to pornography? If we agree that yeah, lots of Jews are involved in porn - okay, so what? Lots of Asian women and black men are too, but we can probably come up with some obvious hypotheses about that which do not involve Asian women or black men being inherently degenerate.
You clearly want us to draw conclusions, but you Darkly Hint at them without being willing to spell out what you think the causal link is.
There are a whole lot of racialized theories that are based solely on "Those People make up X% of the population but Y% of this group," but it's only when Y is greater than X for your favorite outgroups where, rather than consider obvious historical and cultural pressures and even happenstance, we're supposed to attribute it to something sinister and inherent about Those People.
And I'm open to HBD explanations, to the degree that I think that IQ has a lot of explanatory power for many things. But I have yet to see a HBD explanation for Jew-Noticing that doesn't boil down to something about as scientific as Hitler's racial theories.
No, this does not stand to reason. Wow, dude, above when it's pointed out that Jews are responsible for some major scientific breakthroughs, you said "Well, someone else would have discovered that if a Jew hadn't." Yet online porn and casual sex, apparently, is something so uniquely Jewish that without Jews, no one else would have ever invented PornHub and OnlyFans and Tinder?
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So true.
This is why there was no pornography in ancient world before it was influenced by Jews.
This is why pornography was unknown in Christian countries of old where only handful of Jews lived, for example 18th century France and Britain.
This is why there is no pornography today in countries where never were any Jews, countries that strongly rejected Jewish ideas like monotheism and communism, for example Japan.
There was not an enormous amount of pornography in France and England as of the 18th century, even allowing for their lesser communications tech. There was a broad consensus that it was bad and should be suppressed. I say 'much less' not 'none'. Jews didn't invent prostitution, homosexuality or vice. At no point did I say that.
England has a rich history of state bans on pornography, here's some of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscene_Publications_Act_1857
France in the 18th century was a hotbed of censorship. They chucked de Sade in prison 32 times and he was a nobleman!
The Romans had the office of censor, ranked higher even than dictators. He was supposed to uphold public morality, ensure that there men and women were marrying, crack down on crassness like theatre actors and prostitution. Now none of these states totally succeeded in limiting the publication of pornography but they made a decent attempt.
Yes, there was very little pornography in Japan before the US came along and abolished their old censorship laws. Japan was also a very fertile country, albeit diminishing due to industrialization. Then a Jewish woman came along, demanded that women's rights got added to the Japanese constitution... Fertility falls 50% in 10 years.
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Or possibly "it would've been the next-best, next-luckiest" people to try to expand that market? If we compare the inventions of synthetic fertilizer, quantum mechanics, nuclear weapons, and vaccination to the invention of "if you offer women money some of them will do dirty stuff on camera", how on Earth do you conclude that the former insights were just ripe for the plucking while the latter was an improbable course that alt-history would have naturally avoided? People have been trying to figure out how to grow more food, make better weapons, and survive smallpox for millennia, with grossly more limited results, whereas all a pornographer has to figure out is how to combine "we have cameras now" with the World's Oldest Profession. I made fun of the "Deutsche physik" movement the other day, but at least they had "modern physics is really hard" as an excuse for failure. It's funny to even try to imagine how non-Jewish would-be pornographers could have failed. "We tried offering them turnips, we tried offering them badgers; nothing worked!"
When you discover something for the first time, that's a different process from choosing to implement it. Discovering something is value-neutral. Mass immigration (the Caucasians moving out for instance) is as old as time, as is pornography or prostitution. Censorship and border restrictions are also ancient 'technologies'. Choice is key here. States can choose to embrace censorship or libertinism, they can create people's republics or Democratic People's Republics.
Choosing is like a tug of war, where different factions compete to get their results.
As a concrete example, Jews made a huge contribution to the US Civil Rights movement. They founded the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, some 90% of civil rights lawyers in Mississippi were Jewish: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-in-the-civil-rights-movement/
Now I don't know who invented the concept of all races being equal. It sounds early-Christian but I guess some Greek or Roman might've come up with it as well. Invention is separate from implementation. When it comes to implementing certain ideas, some groups favour certain sides.
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