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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 14, 2025

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If some guy, at the age of 16, invaded my very own home and lived in my basement for decades without my knowing, siphoning my electricity and water or whatever, I would not wish this on him.

And what if your parents spent your entire childhood making it extremely clear that they love the random basement hobo more than you, because frankly, they hate your guts? And then they change their will so that he gets the house, and tell you that they hope you end up on the street in a cardboard box because that’s what you deserve. How would you feel about the basement hobo then?

NGL I'd still hate the "parents" more, in the "if I only had two bullets, I'd shoot the traitor twice" sense. I don't really get being angry at illegals unless they're a major drain on society.

NGL I'd still hate the "parents" more

Think a lot of anti-immigrant sentiment is rightists taking out their anger at blacks, Jews, feminists, and white liberals on illegal immigrants because the latter are a more socially acceptable target.

I think this has gone a bit beyond what one could claim with a straight face to be a good analogy for the American illegal immigration situation. And even so, I would not wish the basement hobo were sent to a harsh, overcrowded prison for life. I would resent him and my parents for sure, I'll give you that.

I think you’re failing to decouple two separate penalties here.

They are being deported for being illegal; they are being sent to prison in El Salvador for being a member of MS13.

Yes, I agree that it is cruel to imprison an individual in harsh conditions for entering a country illegally, but it is probably both reasonable and necessary, by some measure, to do so if they are a violent gang member.

Yes, I agree that it is cruel to imprison an individual in harsh conditions for entering a country illegally, but it is probably both reasonable and necessary, by some measure, to do so if they are a violent gang member

Yeah, if they are a violent gang member. He hasn't been convicted in a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. The US shouldn't have sent him straight to a foreign gulag without a conviction.

Actually he was determined by two court rulings to be ms-13

Not true.

I would expect gang member conviction to carry a higher burden of proof than asylum proceedings, personally...

That is a problem for El Salvador to deal with. If they disagree, they can release him.

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