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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 31, 2025

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It should not be legal to shoot someone on the subway except to defend against deadly force. But the deterrent effect of guns extends beyond these situations. People have broad incentives to respect others' boundaries when it's unclear who has a gun and under what circumstances they might be willing to use it.

If everyone is aware that firing a gun on the subway is illegal and will result in serious prison time, and therefore anyone carrying a gun is extremely unlikely to use it in that circumstance, then I’m not sure what would actually be causing the deterrent effect. Leave aside that the average bum is not even in a clear enough state of mind to seriously consider who might have a gun; even if the bum is thinking in that way, I would assume he’d also recognize the likelihood of an otherwise-law-abiding citizen would fire his gun on the subway as very low, and therefore not weight it significantly in any cost-benefit consideration.

I can't conclusively prove causation, but the observable correlations are so strong it should at least give you pause to consider they might be causal.

The correlations you’re observing are simply an artifact both things being true under Republican government. As @hydroacetylene notes, Republican-run areas tend to give their police and prosecutors far greater leeway to punish vagrancy, and these areas also independently tend to support expansive gun rights. The former policy has a lot to do with curbing the behavior of bums, whereas I believe that the latter policy has very little effect.

If everyone is aware that firing a gun on the subway is illegal and will result in serious prison time, and therefore anyone carrying a gun is extremely unlikely to use it in that circumstance, then I’m not sure what would actually be causing the deterrent effect.

A jury decides self-defense cases. If you can convince even one person out of eight that you credibly feared for your life or the life of another, you are not guilty.

Leave aside that the average bum is not even in a clear enough state of mind to seriously consider who might have a gun

Even a very addled person can understand "Lots of people around here have guns and there's no way to tell who. I had better not cause trouble (like swinging a makeshift halberd at people) or I might get shot."

Observably, this is what we see. The homeless objectively behave differently in places with guns versus places without.

Republican-run areas tend to give their police and prosecutors far greater leeway to punish vagrancy

Houston's government is entirely run by Democrats and vagrancy is not punished. The police force is smaller and less active than most comparable cities. Houston's police force is 5,300 (pop. 2.3 million) versus 11,000 in Chicago (pop. 2.6 million).

I think you're vastly overestimating the consideration the average aggressor gives to the "but they will go to prison if they attack me" thing.

Being intimidating works because most people will not cold-bloodedly evaluate the costs and benefits of you actually using your offensive capability.

It is probably true that legal concealed carry does little to curb the behavior of psychotic homeless(although it probably does do a little). What it probably does have a major effect on is mugging- muggings are a far smaller percentage of total crime in high crime red areas. These criminals are rational, but dumb.

Oh certainly, I’m not denying that. The key difference being that both police and the judicial system, at least in a Republican jurisdiction, are very likely to have your back if you shoot a mugger in self-defense. They will not have your back if you open fire in a crowded area because a bum made a creepy noise, or asked you for money, or even if he made a vague verbal threat to you.