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PaperclipPerfector  3d ago (text post)   2087 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for January 31, 2025

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You mean especially cringe or just the run of the mill cringe of using Skynet's prepubescent phase to generate erotic stimuli or pleasant daydreams?

I don't delineate "degrees" of cringe, the base level as it were is already enough for me to sidestep the topic of chatbots IRL whenever it comes up and generally hide my power level. Tbh I have no idea how people openly post chatlogs, if my chats somehow got leaked and connected to my identity I'd unironically commit sudoku he says, continuing to use openrouter. I'm not cut out to be a proper degen.

I imagine there is drama about underage ERP out there right ?

Well, yeah. There's also the recent FUZZ incident - chub dot ai (formerly unmoderated, made by and for 4chuds; now normie-fying with alarming speed as Lore courts the janitorai zoomer audience) has at some point implemented some kind of automatic tagging system that targets suspected underage/loli cards, replaces the card image with a black square and adds a FUZZ tag that prevents the card from showing up in search results outside NSFL and partly locks the card from editing. Essentially a shadowban.

Predictably, this has caused thread-wide meltdowns and cries of INTERNET CENCORSHIP (a meme from the characterai coomageddon era when people were redacting their bots en masse - quickly prompting "temporary" editing restrictions which, as it often is with temporary restrictions, remain policy to this day). IIRC Lore is a britbong and thus might be actually legally culpable for the CSAM-by-technicality hosted on his platform.

if my chats somehow got leaked and connected to my identity

Tbh I've been wondering what % of people genuinely have embarrassing interests in this regard. My own are mildly novel and generally considered bad but tbh a thorough audit of DMs and forum posts out there would indicate that I understand the difference between IRL and fantasy and been known to tell girls online to please think about themselves and their parents before doing self-destructive things people find hot.

Tbh I've been wondering what % of people genuinely have embarrassing interests in this regard.

...Let's just say I am literally the guy from this meme, except the split skews more like 70/30, and I'm not telling which side is the majority.

a thorough audit of DMs and forum posts

You seem to be making the erroneous assumption that an outraged mob would make such an audit.

I honestly can't think of a single time a mob related incident happened in this context.

I don't even use AI chatbots, but I've been keeping a bunch of cards bookmarked as the cunny in the coalmine for normification. They're all still there, and the list is visible on characterhub.org without an account. You're saying that if they've got the fire symbol in the tags they basically can't be searched?

And yes, the UK has gone completely insane on this. Guy needs to divest or get the hell out right away, because they're giving people longer sentences for "problematic drawings" than for gangraping girls and selling them as kebab meat.

the list is visible on characterhub.org

Yes, keyword being on characterhub - something of an "open secret" is that the website is quite literally two-faced. There is characterhub.org (formerly chub.ai), the OG as it were, and then there is chub.ai (formerly venus.chub.ai), a more normie-friendly frontend which is basically janitorai, down to selling its own built-in chatbot service. The backend serving both is the same, but venus/chub has more stringent default filters - for example, filtering the loli tag by default even if the card itself is SFW, and not showing the SFW/NSFW toggle at all unless you're logged in, necessitating an account.

It's actually a neat trick on Lore's behalf, which is why I'm reluctant to shit on him despite the screeching of goons and him making certain concessions to the zoomer crowd; if he wanted to toss chuds under the bus he'd have simply deprecated the characterhub side a long time ago (although he did stop maintaining it). You can also still (for now?) disable the filters on chub to show all cards, even FUZZed ones, although there might be more knobs to wrangle. Clearly he still cares at least a little, even knowing for a fact chuds would rather commit cybercrime and steal keys than pay for his models.

If you're curious this is the full list of casualties - notably, even characterhub won't show FUZZed cards unless you're logged in. On casual scroll it's mostly really out-there shit, and a quick browse shows none of my own bookmarks are affected either, so I can't say I'm very affected but the tendency is certainly ominous.

Word around the block is that the "AI tagging system" is in fact Actually Indians, or rather Actually Ianitors - the anon in the link above mentions that some cards with tame images (but NSFW versions inside a catbox link in description) still got FUZZed, meaning someone had to check, meaning cards seem to be tagged manually. Said anon even managed (I lost the archive link, you'll have to take my word for it) to make the case to jannies and actually got some of his loli cards reinstated. This is about ethics in gaming journalism chatbot services, you see.

You're saying that if they've got the fire symbol in the tags they basically can't be searched?

I don't really use the chub side but IIRC fire symbol = NSFW card, you need to turn off the filter in profile settings first (which in turn requires an account).

And yes, the UK has gone completely insane on this.

I know the general tendency but haven't seen specific examples (about specifically AI CSAM, at least).

Isn't it well within AI functionality to check links in description and parse images therein? At least the most common image hosting websites.

Yes, it is. AIs can now figure out obscure bilingual puns, basic classification is child's play even if you just used some general use instances.

normie-friendly frontend which is basically janitorai,

Just what is on chub.ai ? Straight up sexual violence ? JanitorAI is pretty wild if you check the 'limitless' cards.

Straight up sexual violence ?

pushes up glasses I believe the correct term is "ryona".

Also no I'm just talking shit, I never actually used janitorai, but characterhub definitely does have that and more. Enable NSFW, sort by popular/downloads, and be amazed.

I know the general tendency but haven't seen specific examples (about specifically AI CSAM, at least).

@SteveAgain is likely referring to legal changes like this, which seem to be based on sentiments like these.

...Yeah, that's about what I expected, thanks.

The IT worker, who used AI software to make his own indecent images of children using text prompts, said he would never view such images of real children because he is not attracted to them. He claimed simply to be fascinated by the technology.

Let him who uses a lora and never once throws in [nsfw, naked] for the fuck of it cast the first stone. I'm not big on SD but even I did this, if only to kek at the result and move on.

I will begrudgingly note however that they do have a point here - can't speak for imagegen, but chatbots (if my impression from threads is anything to go by) absolutely do have a real propensity for awakening fetishes people never knew they had.

Yeah. The other day they jailed a guy for 18+ years for making lora character models for people's OCs. Literally harsher punishments for drawings than actual rape.

Gotta keep up the "umm actually white men are the majority of sex offenders" narrative somehow I guess, even if it takes making up imaginary crimes as well as ignoring real ones.

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