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thrownaway24e89172

naïve paranoid outcast

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User ID: 1081

Men submit to their partner's control over their social lives to keep the peace. "Happy wife, happy life". They are "happy" not because they are grateful their wives are taking on this "burden" for them, but because submitting to their wives' control in this regard avoids conflict. Men are expected to give up their social lives and prioritize their wives.

Isn't it amazing how "happy" people can be when they do what their abuser wants rather than defying them?

I think I'd distinguish between being able to prepare a meal and being able to cook. I can prepare simple meals without a recipe and moderately more complicated ones with, but I would still describe myself as not being able to cook. I don't have the knowledge nor inclination to stray far from known recipes, and while I enjoy the results I very rarely enjoy the process. My wife on the other hand can take pretty much anything lying around in the kitchen and make an at least palatable meal out of it and almost never follows recipes even when it is her first time making a dish. She both has the knowledge and experience to make things up on the fly and enjoys the process nearly as much as the end result. I don't know exactly where the boundary between being able to cook and not being able to lies, but I'd put it somewhere between us.

I think one plausible explanation of this being "100% downstream from men watching porn" is that it is that the porn is making more sexual activities seem boringly normal and the women are getting off not to the degradation but to the idea that their partner's love for them is extreme. Thus as more extreme sexual behaviors are normalized they need to push the boundaries even further to get that adventurous kick.

It is a privacy violation with the purpose of deterring adults pretending to be an age verification law. "Think of the children" is as usual nothing more than a cover story. As Kagan notes, if it were just an "age verification law" and the impact on adults was as minimal as possible while still achieving the goal of deterring youths then the law would survive strict scrutiny and the majority wouldn't have had to twist itself to support lower scrutiny.

what I will never understand is how huge numbers of women were convinced by it.

What's so hard to understand? The promise of sex is something women can use to exploit men. Many women wanted to be able to more freely exploit men in this way without realizing men would also be more free to exploit them in return.

What does it even mean to be "equals in dignity" though if inequality at the group level justifies disparate treatment of equals at the individual level?

Society doesn't back up men who are so lacking in confidence, so why should it back up women? They are supposedly our equals. Why can't they be expected to stand up for themselves or suffer the consequences the way we are?

EDIT: Grammar.

I was raised evangelical and converted to Orthodoxy and have never heard it suggested that swearing is somehow implicitly sinful. An argument sure can be made that it is in most particular instances, but that would be according to logic that would, as you'd have it, be coherent to materialists.

I was taught that swearing with words or phrases that invoke God are implicitly sinful (eg, all variants of "damn"), while others are merely signs of bad character (eg, "shit", "fuck").

No. Shared parenthood without marriage too easily degrades into single parenthood as the parents are incentivized to sabotage each other to go about their lives independently. Even if it doesn't, being "shared" by two independent households is harmful to children. The default needs to be at least cohabitation and a binding relationship, with the possibility for the courts to adjudicate abnormal situations.

No, it has everything to do with this scenario. Right now the default is single motherhood and the father has to fight in court to change this default. This would make it so that the default is shared parenthood and the mother has to fight in court to change it. She still could be a single mother if she convinces the court that his behavior is bad enough to warrant divorce, but that requires actually demonstrating his bad behavior rather than simply her not wanting to cooperate with him.

In my experience the much more frequent cause of single motherhood is not that the father is a net negative but that the mother is and society is so blinded by unwarranted sympathy for her that it refuses to do anything about it nor let the father, leaving the child to suffer while the mother's poor behavior is continually subsidized.

Too bad. Vanishingly few would truly rather be a single mother--rather they expect the benefits men normally bring to relationships be provided by society so they don't have to suffer the compromises necessary to make a relationship work. Such selfish entitlement shouldn't be encouraged by society.

Much of the motivation for abortion comes from women not wanting to be single mothers. You can respond to this in two ways:

There's at least one more possible response:

3. Bring back shotgun marriages. Make impregnation result in an automatic marriage and enforce much stricter rules for divorce in such marriages.

Idk maybe I'm not cynical enough but it seems genuine to me? Then again some people do seem to think she's a sort of master manipulator.

These aren't mutually exclusive. If anything I'd argue the best manipulators are often those who don't consciously recognize their behavior as manipulative.

I am not. And this question was quite serious. I've long struggled with keeping up exercise routines because I find it hard to keep motivated due to the lack of noticeable rewards, even ones so minor as "a feeling of accomplishment" after finishing.

Positive discipline activities give you a generous feeling of accomplishment and instant reward. "I worked out today!"

Do people really feel this way about exercise? To me it always feels like pointless effort for a reward that never comes. It's a hopeless fight to slow the pace of inevitable regression.

If you're a stereotypical man who has outsourced the work of maintaining his social life to his wife for a decade

I love how we frame women controlling their partners' social lives as a burden while when men do it to their partners it is framed as abuse.

I think the biggest difference is male aggression toward women is usually physical while female aggression towards men is usually social, most notably attempted social ostracization. Women attack men's social bonds in ways that men don't attack women's, thus leading to this asymmetry.

Just as we're more concerned with female vulnerability due to men's physical aggression, I'd argue another big contributor to our concern about male loneliness is the fact that female aggression tends to manifest socially, particularly via ostracization of the target.

I didn't intend to counter FCfromSSC--I largely agree with his assessment of the current state and trajectory of support for political violence in the US. I've noted both the progression and the fanning of the flames from leadership before. If reddit hadn't made it impossible to search, I'd dig up the comments from my old deleted account discussing how the Blue tribe needs to take de-escalation more seriously in the wake of the Congressional Baseball Shooting. And perhaps most relevantly, I argued that Blue tribers needed to be willing to tolerate a second Trump term to electorally punish Democrats for continued escalation rather than de-escalation during Biden's term in (I think) the last thread you participated in at TheSchism.

What I disagreed with was your assessment of TheSchism. As HereAndGone noted the primary reason (from my perspective anyway) we didn't discuss the assassination attempts wasn't a lack of caring but rather the inappropriateness of the forum. TheSchism was created for other topics. When political violence does come up, as it did in the thread I linked, we reject it. There's also little need to discuss individual instances of it given there's not a lot of difference of opinion on the topic among the regulars.

But I'm going to point out that it specifically in response to claims of 'right-wing' 'fascist' violence supposedly incited by Red Tribers, in 2023 long after BLM had ebbed; it does not name Red Tribers that were hit (excepting arguably a rhetorical flourish about police stations), but neighbors and friends.

And I'll point out that (1) I live in an outer suburb with quite a few neighbors you would probably consider Red tribe and (2) I was explicitly arguing that the (Red tribe) J6 rioters should be taken much less seriously than the (Blue tribe) BLM rioters rather than the other way around. But if you really want to see me 'name Red Tribers that were hit', see the first two links above.

I'm a noob wannabe hacker who's doing this to become better at what I do and be employed via remote jobs or start indie hacking.

Install Linux from scratch. Distros are for people who just want to use Linux without necessarily understanding it. There's nothing wrong with that--it's why I mostly stick with WSL these days--but setting up an LFS install will teach you things about Linux that carry over to any distribution you choose to (or are forced to) use in the future.

I think it is more a matter of conflicting priorities. Desktops and servers have different requirements from an OS and Linux development is heavily biased toward prioritizing server requirements over desktop requirements when they conflict.

More seriously, The Schism had less commentary on all three assassination attempts combined, between Trump and Kavanaugh, in an entire year, than it spent debating whether Trump was fascist in a single week before the 2024 election. (answer: of course, it's just a matter of how fascist). Tesla arsons, Paul Kessler, new phone who dis?

That's the subreddit that came into existence because people here didn't downvote a post FCfromSSC ate a ban over hard enough about advocacy of violence. Maybe direct advocacy is not universal among Blue Tribers (though I'll point again to Ken White or my tumblr feed and its regular DenyDefendDepose fandom), and maybe it's not here (modulo whenever Impassionata makes their next alt), but they don't care enough to comment on it; does anyone think there's a Blue Tribe locale that's going to be any stronger?

I explicitly called out Impassionata's escalating advocacy and tolerance of violence on TheSchism and it was recognized as a quality contribution. There are still Blue Tribers who see the same pattern of escalations that @FCfromSSC does and who lament that too few of our "allies" seem to be taking de-escalation seriously and would rather risk violence in pursuit of power.

I think you are being a little unfair here. I do not remember anyone on the Motte (even Blue folks like me) reacting to the attempted Trump assassination with anything other than disapproval. Maybe I didn't express enough horror and disapproval for you, but no one thought it was no big deal or worse, something to be encouraged. And by and large, I did not see that reaction even among my most leftie friends. Sure, TikTok was full of people screaming in dismay that the shooter missed, but do you think that actually represents mainstream Blue tribe thinking?

I'm not so sure about this. I don't remember seeing anyone on the Motte reacting that way, but of the people I interacted with IRL in my very blue bubble I was the only one who wasn't openly wishing the shooter hadn't missed. Most at least had the good grace to only do so in conversations held in private rather than public locations, but they were said openly to everyone present to widespread agreement. How much of that was puffery versus how much of it was serious is another question...

I think more Americans of all political stripes think trying to assassinate politicians (even politicians they dislike) is bad, than you are willing to credit.

I think the important question isn't whether or not they think it is bad, but whether they think it is or may become necessary.