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No matter how much you might sneer at it, DR3 (ie "Democrats are the real Racists") remains objectivly true.
Who is the real retard then?
DR3 is absolutely not true. A legit white racist, especially in the South or Midwest, will almost always vote Republican. Democrats discriminate against white people, so no racially conscious white outside of weird online people will be convinced by the racism of the Democrats because this racism is directed against them.
What dr3 is saying is that paternalist racially conscious identity politics performed by the democrats is more racist than any republican, even the deep south caricature everyone imagines when you say racist. They dress it up in fancy language and performative compassion, but don't actually give a shit what happens to the community or what the people there think or want.
It is one hundred percent correct, but unlike its brother 'what if the positions were reversed' is a poor argument for right wingers because it assumes the progressive framing is correct.
No that’s not DR3. That’s a rationalists’ steel man of DR3. DR3 by standard conservatives is literally Democrats are the real racists and there’s essentially zero Republican racist and there have essentially never been any either.
Can you provide examples of this? Because I haven't seen it used that way, at least not in the past decade, and I have had to talk plenty of standard conservatives out of using it the rationalist way.
As we will discover in this book, progressive Democrats are in fact the inventors of racism and white supremacy, and the Republican Party fought them all the way. Progressives and Democrats were also the groups that were in bed with fascism and Nazism in the 1920s and 1930s, while Republicans opposed this cozy alliance. All the villains of the civil rights movement—Birmingham sheriff Bull Connor, Selma sheriff Jim Clark, Arkansas governor Orval Faubus, Georgia governor Lester Maddox, Mississippi governor Ross Barnett, Alabama governor and presidential candidate George Wallace—were Democrats.
So we have the remarkable spectacle today of the party of racism, fascism and white supremacy blaming the party of antiracism and resistance to fascism and white supremacy for being racist, fascist and white supremacist.
https://read.macmillan.com/smp/death-of-a-nation-by-dinesh-dsouza-excerpt/
Have you read that book? It starts with that and then pivots to the rationalist dr3. He basically says "they were always racist, but these days they are sneaky about it and dress it up in performative compassion etc"
No he doesn’t. He does a massive motte and bailey, but that is essentially what he believes. That quote is literally DR3. I was around on TRS forums when DR3 became a meme. Anything that isn’t what I described or that quote is not the original DR3. He believes that if those racist Dems who opposed the Civil Rights Act and integration were reanimated today, they would vote for Kamala instead of Trump. They would wake up and be super excited to discriminate against whites like the Democrats do today. They would be allies with blue haired anti-white Antifa people because they would be united by racism, even if the racism is now in the complete opposite direction. If you believe that too, then you also believe in the meme DR3.
You can’t say he doesn’t actually believe that because that is the thesis he is trying to prove and the quote he chose out of everything in the book to summarize it. He has also been doing DR3 for 30 years now. There’s too many interviews, articles, and books by him doing DR3 to say he doesn’t believe that. He is the OG of DR3. If he believed something different, he should have said the thesis was something different.
I'm not reading D'souza again so if you say he was motte and baileying I believe you, but like I said, I haven't met any ordinary republicans who think that's what dr3 means. And the meme has changed if D'souza is motte and baileying, so I'm going to stick to telling people not to use the rdr3 - if they are using ogdr3 I'll tell them captain planet villains don't actually exist irl.
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Assuming they’re racist against nonwhites, yes.
Well I’ve heard some pretty hot DR3 takes where they act like the Ku Klux Klan are woke SJWs. I got into an argument recently with a irl standard conservative that said if 1920s KKK came back they’d be Dems. I was like you think they would support the party of a half black, half Indian woman who supports laws discriminating against whites and he said yes. This is something you’ll see in main stream conservative discourse. They think there’s essentially zero white Republican racists and any that exist are Democrats. Just look on boomer conservative FB pages for anyone who doesn’t believe me.
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You didn’t even refute anything I said. Do you have specific evidence — even if it’s just anecdotal! — to demonstrate that what I’m saying is untrue?
My evidence is that of my own eyes.
I live in a decent sized southern city, and as fantastical as this may sound to the average mottizen such as yourself, black people are out there, right now, wearing clothes, driving cars, and running buisinesses as if they were human beings. While the streets are clean, and reasonably well maintained, and homelessness is rare.
Who are you to tell me that they aren't?
I was just in Louisiana for work and the black neighborhoods were absolutely terrible.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hGkOcuCvqeA&pp=ygUXTW9ucm9lIExvdWlzaWFuYSBnaGV0dG8%3D
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I mean his point isn’t that they aren’t doing those things, it’s that they have a very strong racial consciousness and sense of all non African races as being The Other
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Hoffmeister25 was just paraphrasing a very widely discussed Pew Research Finding and talking about the potential reason behind the non-controversial fact that "Black people care more about being Black than white people care about being white." There's an order of magnitude difference in the proportion of people giving the most extreme poll response.
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What an absurd comment!
Who ever said they aren’t? Certainly I didn’t! Do you believe that caring about racial identity is incompatible with wearing clothes, driving cars, and running businesses? I care about racial identity, and it doesn’t prevent me from having a job and wearing clothes!
Your comment is a complete non sequitur. I’m struggling to figure out what point you thought you were making.
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"I'll see your DR3, and raise you a DR4".
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