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The statutory 24 hours having passed, I'm saving it for my "things the mods are surprisingly okay with when they directionally flatter their biases" highlights reel.
There is no statutory 24 hours. We usually try to make a decision quickly rather than letting a post sit in the queue for days, but in this case (with the post standing at 11 reports), there is a reason I personally am not going to pull the trigger, and most of the mods are only erratically online because of the holidays.
But thanks for providing a direct contrast to @SteveKirk's accusations that we only ever mod him because he offends our biases.
Well, I figured that 24 hours was a reasonable amount of time to wait so I wouldn't just be complaining while mods are asleep or discussing. I concede that I jumped the gun here and was wrong in expecting that you would let him get away with it.
However, I do still think that you are making it too easy for yourself by reasoning that looks like a "people from both sides get mad about the moderation, so it must be that we are actually quite fair". There is scarcely a time or system in history that did not draw complaints from people who wanted to pull further in the direction in which it was already biased; I'm sure even the leftiest of Mastodons get people telling the admins they are being fascist, too. I can only hope you have some good internal metrics about the results of what you are doing, because by the main external ones (alignment of prolific posters, upvote patterns), you are really not doing well.
Yes, I do believe that both sides constantly telling us how much we suck is evidence that we're fair.
As for whether we are "doing well" or not, I'm not aware of any "metrics" being collected other than activity counts, but I weigh your judgment about as heavily as I weigh @SteveKirk's (who, unsurprisingly, has also been telling us forever that our moderation is so bad that we're destroying the site).
If your complaint is that the site skews rightward, yes, we're aware, it's been discussed since before we left reddit, and I (and the other mods) would like to see more of an ideological balance, but I have come to the conclusion that, realistically, the only way we could keep leftists around is to ban all the rightists, when the opposite isn't true. I leave any conclusions to the interested observer.
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If you think a post against propaganda is a banworthy offense, I don't know what to tell you.
I just told you the opposite of that. If you can't understand what I wrote, I don't know what to tell you.
Has one meaning, come on, are you serious? That sentence isn't interpretable as saying anything other than "I would pull the trigger, but I'm waiting for a triggerman instead"
God it's all so fake and manipulative. I'd rather deal with the actual bots.
The meaning is: we are discussing whether or not to ban you. It is my opinion that you've earned a permaban, but I am recusing myself due to our past interactions. If the other mods disagree with me that your post merits a permaban, I will accept their decision.
I'd be proud to be banned for that post. I can't think of a better way to prove everything I said was right.
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IMHO at this point they should just remove the boo-outgroup rule rather than make a continued mockery of it.
Edit: jeez and +17
I don’t think it’s boo-outgroup to say that large sections of social media are awful people who want to hurt you and engaging with them honestly is a mistake. Right now those are all leftists because of other civilisation all dynamics but it would just as bad if they were rightists.
I referenced /pol/ to try and demonstrate that it was a general point about the risks of letting propaganda weapons into your brain without a filter. Although admittedly even there a lot of it is committed by leftists for trolling or demoralization, it's still a good example of a community poisoned by all sides.
But yeah, if some people want the boo outgroup rule to mean "you have to take 'Kamela is Brat, Vance fucked a couch!' propaganda at face value," rather than treating them as weapons to be analyzed and defended against at arms length, I think the community is fucked.
The boo outgroup rule means you should not refer to your political opponents as literal inhuman "things." If all you said was "don't trust propaganda and liberal social media," your post would not be under discussion.
The "weird" attack on Vance was literally invented by a propaganda consultancy firm and algorithmically boosted by bots. If that doesn't count as the product of an inhuman "thing" we're going to have to have some discussions about the nature of humanity.
If your mother gets called by an automated telemarketing scam pretending to be you needing bail money/gift cards, is that the action of a human, or a malicious thing directed by human intelligence? Is the correct response for her to argue with it, or slam the phone down and curse the thing that tried to hurt her?
If something that looks almost exactly like your wife except for the featureless empty black eyes comes to your bedroom window and asks you to let it in, what do you do? Ask it politely how it's floating outside the 2nd floor, or nod to your actual wife to get the fucking shotgun and a bible?
That attack on Vance would have also been out of bounds of the rule and, were posted here, worthy of censure.
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I would say “you don’t have to tell me what happened, but you do have to eat these” as I hand her a bowl of eggs.
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