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Friday Fun Thread for December 20, 2024

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Nice, custom loop or AIO? If custom loop what are people using nowadays for water-blocks on their GPU, did EK survive their 'try just not paying their suppliers and employees' experiment?

What's your workload like, mostly gaming? I feel like the sweet spot for AIO cooling of CPUs is something like 30s to 10 minute saturation workloads. Shorter than that and you're not producing enough heat for your cooling system to matter. Longer than that you're saturating the liquid anyway. But for some GPU limited games and some workstation tasks even a "cheap" AIO has way better peak noise normalized performance than even pretty premium air coolers.

It's an AIO named Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360. :) It was supposed to be notoriously difficult to install, but it went fine as soon as I figured out I had the brackets upside down. The smoother, prettier side needed to be facing down to the mb, quite counter-intuitively.

I'm trying to figure out the best activity/cooling curves. I'm using Argus Monitor.

I've got the connector labeled PUMP plugged into the header aio_pump, and I plugged the connector labeled VRM into either cpu_fan1 or cpu_fan2, and the connector labeled FAN into cpu_fan2 or cpu_fan1.

In the program, there's one thing labeled cpufan running at 640 rpm while at 32% speed - I assume this is the vrm. Then there's auxfan0 reporting 1020 rpm while at 32%. And auxfan1 at 1240 rpm(?) while at a fixed 20% - guess this is the pump. I set it at a fixed 20% because it was making a repeating whining or wind blowing noise every second at higher speeds.

My biggest regret with my last build (besides choosing Intel and getting a sure-to-die 13900k which I'm loathe to RMA which would strand me without a desktop for 2+ weeks) was opting for air cooling. I've used Noctua fans for a decade now, they've always done well by me. The first (and last) time I tried an AiO water cooler was in 2013 and it was so terrible I wrote them all off entirely. Pump headers weren't standard on motherboards back then and I remember absolutely hating Corsair's software that was mandatory to keep running 24/7. (I'm not sure if I could've "just" pegged CPU_FAN1 to 100% in the BIOS and things would've worked; probably should've tested it.)

Anyway, despite having a case designed for maximum airflow and a huge Noctua fan, my 13900k will thermal throttle instantly if I run any benchmarks. Though it's fine in daily use and I haven't seen it exceed 80 while gaming, it is the principle of the matter... also the Noctua fan is so large I need to take the whole assembly off if I want to swap out RAM or m2s, which is rather annoying. Apparently AiOs have gotten better lately, so I'll give them another shot for my next build. Or just go whole hog with a custom loop, it doesn't look that hard.

Heh. I wouldn't touch Intel with a bargepole at this point, and I assume you will surely pick AMD next time. The whole "RMA/stranded with no desktop PC" issue is why I'm keeping my old system instead of selling it. Wouldn't get more than five or six hundred for it anyway. Always safer to have a backup option.

Custom loop sounds like fun. I might try that next time around. It seems like if you want a much quieter build overall under gaming load you need to liquid cool the GPU as well.

a repeating whining or wind blowing noise every second at higher speeds

Hopefully that goes away as the bubbles in the loop make it to the top.

With a 360, I wouldn't expect a load any normal user would reasonably run on a computer that's sitting in the same room as them to fully saturate the liquid in the loop. Maybe a supper long session of Cities: Skylines II, if you have literally Linus Torvalds needs for compiling Linux, or if your room needs an electric space heater so you run a synthetic benchmark/mine to keep warm at night.

I suspect there's something wrong with the fans.

The VRM fan seems to be the culprit for the annoying noise. The noise changes when I regulate its rpm in Argus. Setting it to bios controlled seems to reduce it the most. It's now noise free at idle. That's the most important thing.

The fans pointed at the radiator seem to be a little off-kilter. The graphic on them around the centerpoint moves.

The fans that were delivered with my case were also messed up. They made a much more high frequent irregular noise, due to bad bearings I think. I had to replace them.

Is there an unusual amount of shittiness in the fan production industry right now?

Edit: I swapped the connections. I thought I had VRM on cpu_fan1. It was on 2. Radiator fans was on 1. Now, with vrm on cpu_fan1 and radiator fans on cpu_fan2, the noise is mostly gone, only appearing briefly during ramp-up! Yay! Hardware idiosyncracies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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