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Small-Scale Question Sunday for June 30, 2024

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Does anyone else feel "there's no other place like home" sort of way about this place?

I do. It's funny, I'be become somewhat prominent elsewhere, yet I never feel such warm rush as when writing for you guys. And that despite being not an amicable type. I've been among you, what, five years? And made maybe three friends. Even so.

It's a damn shame that Zorba didn't do good on his promise of establishing a recruiting pipeline. But that's hard, and now clearer why it's hard.

I wish I felt this way

I'be become somewhat prominent elsewhere

Where?

It's a damn shame that Zorba didn't do good on his promise of establishing a recruiting pipeline.

Well, if you're prominent, linking back to here every once in a while could help.

It wouldn't be good either for me or for us, unfortunately. Guess a few others are the same.

Not Trace though.

Yes, very much so. While I'm mostly a lurker, The Motte is unique place that is unmatched by anywhere else on the Internet. I am grateful that it exists.

I’m 99.9% lurker too and I echo your sentiments exactly. Headlines elsewhere invariably drive me here in lieu of their own native comments sections. There’s nowhere else.

(Also early follower of you on the other platform, and it's been great to see your recent growth.)

Link so we can lurk more Ilforte goods

What platform?

This place is the only place I have ever felt that it was worth it to discuss The News:tm:. Everywhere else is a complete dumpster fire. This was arguably always true but ever since the new decade the quality of the average internet user has decreased substantially.

Of course! When anything interesting happens in the world, you’re the people I want to discuss it with. There is an expectation here that good writing will be read and that (if the discussion prompts others to share their thoughts) intelligent and thoughtful people will engage with you about it. What more could one ask for? (Other than a growing community but that, sadly, was a consequence of our leaving Reddit).

Elsewhere on the internet there is such an endless flow of shitty commenters, trolls, people who just want to annoy you or insult you or whatever. Nobody has a skin so thick that being ratio’d on Twitter and having a hundred plebs call you a retard (etc) whenever you make a good point doesn’t affect them at all, at least in my opinion. Here arguments get pushback, but it’s almost always collegiate and friendly.

I even respect most of the people I disagree with (even Hlynka), which is more than I can say for anywhere else.

Does anyone else feel "there's no other place like home" sort of way about this place?

Yes of co... wait a minute, what exactly do you mean by this?

But seriously, yes of course. At one point I even set out to explore the Internet to see if there are other places I'd fit in better, and while I found a few that were adjacent (culture war rejects of various communities), they somehow never felt quite right, and seeing that the pattern that lead to the creation of this place was reproduced multiple times throughout the 'Net was more depressing than anything.

I've been among you, what, five years?

Huh, I could swear it was more than that.

It's a damn shame that Zorba didn't do good on his promise of establishing a recruiting pipeline. But that's hard, and now clearer why it's hard.

I dunno, I think it's doable, but just the maintaining this place is more than enough work for a single person.

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Check out The Vault for an archive of old quality posts. You are encouraged to crosspost these elsewhere.


Why are you called The Motte?

A motte is a stone keep on a raised earthwork common in early medieval fortifications. More pertinently, it's an element in a rhetorical move called a "Motte-and-Bailey", originally identified by philosopher Nicholas Shackel. It describes the tendency in discourse for people to move from a controversial but high value claim to a defensible but less exciting one upon any resistance to the former. He likens this to the medieval fortification, where a desirable land (the bailey) is abandoned when in danger for the more easily defended motte. In Shackel's words, "The Motte represents the defensible but undesired propositions to which one retreats when hard pressed."

On The Motte, always attempt to remain inside your defensible territory, even if you are not being pressed.


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